Connecticut School Shooting

[Flatliner333]

Not trying to sound shovenistic here just curious... Were there any men working at that school or just women and children in there? Also do schools have a panic button in the office like banks do? I would think our kids are more important than our savings.

[BTAutoMag]

that would certainly make sense... but to play devils advocate here...


there are alot more bank robberies then school shootings.

about 5 school shooting happen per year WORLDWIDE compared to about 450,000 bank robberies per year in the USA ALONE.

[sQuidvision]

a little off topic.. but are there seriously that many bank robberies a year? holy crap.

[Interceptor]

Is it wrong that i look at that picture and think "Yes, that is a good idea"

Not in my book. I bet they don't have a problem with children playing with guns over their either.

[Flatliner333]

^^ very true but just as this shows bank robberies don't make the news like school shootings do and this is becoming a disturbing trend. So now not only does this look bad against gun owners but people who are preparing for end of days type stuff by legally owning multiple weapons.

[OPBN]

Not sure about about that school but our local school has panic buttons at all of the secretary and administrators desks. It has also been built within the past 6 years. Rumour is that there is going to be a discussion this week about changing some procedures and locking down all exterior doors during the day. Currently the front doors remain open during the day. All other doors are locked during the day.

[Lohman446]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-mental-illness-conversation_n_2311009.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing6%7Cdl8%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D246517

This is a story written by a mother of a son who "fits the profile" of a school shooter. It details some of her struggles to get help. If we are going to have a discussion, as a nation, on how to "fix" this we need to start at the cause.

[spyderkiller]

I started doing some research on school budgets after this happened because I was curious about the amount of $$ districts spend on student, staff, and facility security. Districts range from $0 to over $10 Million, depending on the size and location of the schools, and I suppose also on the perceived threats in the area. As is expected, large and inner-city districts spend a heck of a lot more and normally have metal detectors and permanently staffed armed guards. All of this got me to thinking.

I had thought of this years ago, but just like our schools and media, forgot about it when we went a couple of years without a major incident. Anyway, why not start a private security firm that caters directly to school districts? I know a lot of schools are strapped for funding, but it could be brought before communities as a bond proposal - pay a few extra $$ a year in local taxes to have the trained watchful eye of former military and police standing guard in the community's schools. For example, a school district of 5 schools may require 10 guards. The contract would include a full-scale threat and emergency preparedness assessment and plan, metal detector installment, and two full-time armed guards during school days and school functions like football games. It would be their responsibility to ensure the school was locked down, to screen all visitors through one entrance, and then ensure they report to the office. Seems like money well spent to me. Obviously each one of the guards would have an entire packet of their security clearances, background check, military service record, etc. presented to school administration for review, and there would be a lot of contract negotiation needed to ensure the district clearly outlines the scope of duties for the guards (such as what situations within the school to intervene on, if any, etc.). I just find it hard to believe any community would reject paying a few extra $$ a year to ensure their children are protected.

[Ando]

Like I said before in other places. We've had legislation on Drugs for longer then any of us have been alive...and still have a major problem with it. In fact, the US is #1 in usage of most illegal narcotics.

No mater what law...legislation...etc. the president and/or congress put on the books. It's not going to change a damn thing. Bad people will find a way. Weather it's buying from other shady individuals or coming into someones castle and taking it.

All it's going to do is put law biding citizens in harms way. They would need to triple the police force in every city to subdue the craziness that going to come forth from this and I for one will not relinquish my arms.

[OPBN]

Schools in some areas can't afford books and are packing 35-40 students into classrooms built to accomodate 25. Where in the world do you think they are going to get funding for an additional $60-100k+ per year per school for two full time armed guards? We have school districts in our area that are having problems getting renewal levys passed let alone new ones.

We do pretty well with our local school district in getting renewal and even additional levies passed, but I think a lot of people would balk at hiring full time armed guards for our K-12 school. What people just don't get is that things do happen. While it is horrible and devastating to that community, it is in fact still a very rare occurrence.

[wetwrks]

School Shooters Crimes in the last week of his life:

1. Using Brother's ID. (1)
2. PUTTING FALSE INFO on a 4473 (1)
3. Felony domestic assault (4)
4. Murder of his mother (1)
5 Stealing her firearms (4)
6. Unlawful possession of a handgun (3)
7. Unlawful possession of an "Assault Weapon" (1)
8. Grand theft auto (1)
9. Possession of firearm within 1000 ft of a school without a valid CCW (4)
10 Possession of a firearm within a school without a state issued CCW (3)
11. Discharging a firearm within an occupied building (200)
12 Battery (26)
13 First degree capital murder (26)
14 Attempted first degree felony murder (170)
15 Use of a firearm in the commission of a felony (250+)
16 Aggravated Trespassing (1)

I am sure I have left a few out but I think it is safe to say he committed at least 600 felonies the last week of his life.

[Interceptor]

Schools in some areas can't afford books and are packing 35-40 students into classrooms built to accomodate 25. Where in the world do you think they are going to get funding for an additional $60-100k+ per year per school for two full time armed guards? We have school districts in our area that are having problems getting renewal levys passed let alone new ones.

We do pretty well with our local school district in getting renewal and even additional levies passed, but I think a lot of people would balk at hiring full time armed guards for our K-12 school. What people just don't get is that things do happen. While it is horrible and devastating to that community, it is in fact still a very rare occurrence.

Thats a good question. Locally the town i work for ,said they didnt have the money for us to get extra officers or even a raise for the last 4 years, but they can afford to build a huge new town hall. Charlotte cant afford to out extra officers in the schools but they can afford to build new light rail and trolley projects.

Simply put they would rather have their shiney new toys than secure schools.

[El Zilcho]

Thats a good question. Locally the town i work for ,said they didnt have the money for us to get extra officers or even a raise for the last 4 years, but they can afford to build a huge new town hall. Charlotte cant afford to out extra officers in the schools but they can afford to build new light rail and trolley projects.

Simply put they would rather have their shiney new toys than secure schools.

One thing to consider is the source of the money, many times federal government money has stipulations attached to it i.e. this money can only be used for public transportation etc. Not saying it is the case with your town but it is something to consider.

[wetwrks]

Here is Samuel L Jackson's view on the shooting and gun restrictions and the source of these type of shootings:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2012/12/18/Samuel-L-Jackson-gun-control

I think he is 100% correct.

[OPBN]

One thing to consider is the source of the money, many times federal government money has stipulations attached to it i.e. this money can only be used for public transportation etc. Not saying it is the case with your town but it is something to consider.

Truth. You can't take federal money designated for roads projects to pay teachers or security guards. Federal funding of schools has shrunk over the past few years and even our system was affected. We lost grant money for a couple of programs that had to be cut because there simply wasnt the money. Yes, you can try and ask the community for more money, but good luck with that. Than again, if we didnt have some teachers making $45/hour maybe we could afford to bring those programs back.