Christopher Dorners Manifesto

[Spider-TW]

Does a " normal " person wait 4 years to get payback & then on the offender's child ? this guy should be hunted down like a rabid dog & shot
I'm personally sick & tired of all these MURDERS gettin the kid gloves , these KILLERS should go before a J & J within a month & if they are found guilty by a jury of their piers ( 12 murders ? ) execute them
Done

I doubt LAPD will be kid gloving him.

[river031403]

It's on!

Got to my carpool spot in San Bernardino,ca just south of Big Bear and what do I see in my rear view mirror?! ABOUT 30 black and whites and unmarked patrol cars flying up towards big bear lights and sirens he's in a cabin ****s fired

[Frizzle Fry]

Just think. If there was a proper gun registry, and a limit to number of guns and ammo a person can own, he would have been done at this point.

I can't imagine where a former police officer who's in the navy would get a gun other than from a gun shop...

I mean, it's not like he lives in a state with a large border to Mexico, the country where our own government has been selling piles of automatic weapons to drug cartels so that we could take notes when they come back over the border and kill our citizens. And the border isn't so poorly secured that 7% of the population of that state is illegal, and 90% of all cocaine in our country and 70% of drugs in general come over it.

Oh, and the Barrett M99 he's lugging around? Bolt action, single shot, weighs 25lb and ammunition will run you about $45 for a 10rd box.

[Frizzle Fry]

I doubt LAPD will be kid gloving him.

Judging by how many civilians they've shot (including the 71 year old latina woman delivering newspapers), never mind the number they've shot at while "attempting to apprehend" him, my guess is that he will not get a trial even if he walks into a police station to surrender buck naked with handcuffs already on.

I know in the states I hunt in, you can't shoot a deer without visual confirmation. You need to confirm that it's a deer and, unless you have a doe permit, you need to confirm that it is a buck and see at least 4" of rack before you can even consider shooting. Shooting a pickup truck that's the wrong color and has two people inside until it looks like swiss cheese is not OK, and I think it speaks volumes about the orders these officers have been given, or at least what they intend to do.

I don't condone his actions by any means, but something tells me there's a hell of a lot more to this story that's going to come out... More than the ramblings he wrote in his message, and more than what the LAPD has lied about in their statements. All I know is he has a scope on his single shot weapon and has been taking care to shoot the people and things he said he was going to shoot, which is more than can be said for the officers dumping a few dozen rounds into anything that moves. It's a little scary that average citizens have nothing to fear from this guy, and everything to fear from the officers searching for him.

[dahoeb]

I doubt LAPD will be kid gloving him.

No kidding, looks like they burned his building to the ground. Not sure if that's SOP for a standoff situation.

[cockerpunk]

No kidding, looks like they burned his building to the ground. Not sure if that's SOP for a standoff situation.

radio traffic at the time indicated "burners have been lit" followed by a couple of jokes about lighting cigarettes. pretty obvious the fire was started by authorities.

[dahoeb]

radio traffic at the time indicated "burners have been lit" followed by a couple of jokes about lighting cigarettes. pretty obvious the fire was started by authorities.

Yeah, thats what Ive been reading. Ive also been seeing that they used some type of incendiary grenade.

[maniacmechanic]

radio traffic at the time indicated "burners have been lit" followed by a couple of jokes about lighting cigarettes. pretty obvious the fire was started by authorities.

rumor & innuendo , the media has been reporting anything & everything they have heard regardless of whether it is fact or fiction ,, these police agency's know that every thing they are doing is being watched , why would they welcome more criticism ?

[cockerpunk]

rumor & innuendo , the media has been reporting anything & everything they have heard regardless of whether it is fact or fiction ,, these police agency's know that every thing they are doing is being watched , why would they welcome more criticism ?

idk, there incompetence has been demonstrated how many times over the last week?

[Henchman]

Who cares.
He murdered at least 2 people on cold blood.
The minute they knew he was in that cabin, they should have flown a drone in and blown it up. Or rolled a tank in.
Instead of putting more people at risk.

**** people like him.
They surrender their rights the minute they decide to become a terrorist.

Because let there be no doubt about it.
That's what he was.

[dahoeb]

Who cares.
He murdered at least 2 people on cold blood.
The minute they knew he was in that cabin, they should have flown a drone in and blown it up. Or rolled a tank in.
Instead of putting more people at risk.

**** people like him.
They surrender their rights the minute they decide to become a terrorist.

Because let there be no doubt about it.
That's what he was.

By the definition of a terrorist, that's actually spot on. But it doesn't necessarily mean you forfeit your rights. You still have the right to a speedy trial, a lawyer, etc etc. You're rights aren't really forfeit until you're proven guilty in the courts. And that's how it should be. I don't think it would take long for lawyers to stretch the flimsy definition of "terrorist" to include who ever they want to justify killing them.

Ofcourse the Obama administration would disagree with me.

The only reason that I am not criticizing the police on their course of action is because Dorner was firing at them, killed some of them from the cabin and made arrest impossible.

[Frizzle Fry]

The minute they knew he was in that cabin, they should have flown a drone in and blown it up.

The same Constitution that guarantees his right to bear arms also guarantees him the right to a fair trial. If he died in a shootout while police attempted to apprehend him, that's one thing, but sending a judge/jury/executioner in the form of an assassin drone against a US citizen is unconstitutional, and would be denying him a very basic right.

[cockerpunk]

Who cares.
He murdered at least 2 people on cold blood.
The minute they knew he was in that cabin, they should have flown a drone in and blown it up. Or rolled a tank in.
Instead of putting more people at risk.

**** people like him.
They surrender their rights the minute they decide to become a terrorist.

Because let there be no doubt about it.
That's what he was.

not defending his actions because without a doubt they are wrong.

but he was correct in his manifesto, and his actions showed the complete incompetence of the LAPD and other law enforcement on so many occasions. they proved he was right about the corruption and above the law mentality countless times. and the fact that they literally burned him alive, when there was no immediate threat to innocent life, is further proof of that.

[Henchman]

not defending his actions because without a doubt they are wrong.

but he was correct in his manifesto, and his actions showed the complete incompetence of the LAPD and other law enforcement on so many occasions. they proved he was right about the corruption and above the law mentality countless times. and the fact that they literally burned him alive, when there was no immediate threat to innocent life, is further proof of that.

All terrorists have a reason behind their attacks.
And had he surrendered, then how old have of course has the right to all of his rights.
By not surrendering, as far as I'm concerned, he forfeited those rights.

And there is of course no proof they burned him alive.
He had numerous chances to surrender, and he decided not to.

Why do some people always defend criminals.

[cockerpunk]

All terrorists have a reason behind their attacks.
And had he surrendered, then how old have of course has the right to all of his rights.
By not surrendering, as far as I'm concerned, he forfeited those rights.

And there is of course no proof they burned him alive.
He had numerous chances to surrender, and he decided not to.

Why do some people always defend criminals.

actually, we have the radio conversations showing they purposely lit the cabin on fire. and then they also talk about how if he runs out of the building, to be ready to shoot him. point being ... they burned him alive, on purpose.

surrendering or not has no bearing, as the established legal definition of when police can use deadly force is immediate danger to innocent life. its not up to you, that's the law.

i explicitly stated at the start of my post i was not defending him. kinda confused how you think i am defending dorner. just because i don't think the police at any point in this case acted appropriately (and above the law) means i think dorner is justified in committing murder. the world isn't a sports game, its not roots for one team or the other. there is such a case where both sides can be dead wrong. or both sides are wrong, but one a little less so then the other etc etc etc.