2 Are Better Than 1 ?

[going_home]

Love those M&P's

[vintage]

have you seen the double 1911's?

[nak81783]

Ran double Glocks once. Also double AR-15s. The former was a little dangerous. The latter was extremely fun.

[going_home]

have you seen the double 1911's?

[going_home]

I am not a 1911 fan to be honest, I dont like the grip safety or the whole locked and cocked thing.

For the money you cant go wrong with an M&P.

[nak81783]

I carry a Glock, which I consider functionally synonymous with M&Ps and XDs. The majority of all three are durable and reliable, but all three have also had lemons and issues. There are fanboys and haters of each. I just like the Glock's lower barrel axis.

However, for simple shooting fun, my 1911 is much more enjoyable.

[going_home]

1911's are heavier and easy to reacquire the target, no doubt fun range guns.

I have had no luck with Glocks, they just dont fit my hand.

Kahrs, M&P's, F.N.Herstal's fit me better.

[nak81783]

Fair enough. Certainly lots of great guns out there. Might as well use what suits you best.

[wetwrks]

Personally a fan of the FN FiveseveN

[nak81783]

Never shot one but always wanted to. Is it your carry gun (if you carry)? I'm curious what type and grain of bullet you use for carry for something going that fast.

[Spider-TW]

I have had no luck with Glocks, they just dont fit my hand.

Kahrs, M&P's, F.N.Herstal's fit me better.

Have you tried the different frames (compact and full)? I like the original full size, and really don't like the compact or sub.

[going_home]

Never shot one but always wanted to. Is it your carry gun (if you carry)? I'm curious what type and grain of bullet you use for carry for something going that fast.

5.7x28 (5 seven) is 32 (2,350 ft/s) and 40 grain (1,950 ft/s) , but its one of only two pistol calibers (that I know of) that can defeat level 3 kevlar. (many bad guy types have been known to wear kevlar when committing crimes)

The other is a cold war relic 7.62x25 Tokarev 85 grain (1650 fp/s).

I have shot one of the latter, Romanian TTC, poor mans 5 seven, 1911 knockoff that goes in the $200-ish range while the 5 seven $1k-ish.

The TTC is a blast to shoot but I wouldnt carry it simply because of the whole locked and cocked thing.

I prefer a DB9 or a PM9 for that.

Have you tried the different frames (compact and full)? I like the original full size, and really don't like the compact or sub.

The distance from the backstrap to the trigger is too great for small hands like mine.

[nak81783]

I will regret posting this in the morning, but I have access to scrap ballistic Kevlar from work used to contain turbine blades from the fuselage of aircraft. A PMC .223 55gr FMJ round from a 16.25" barrel at ~25 ft went through 60 layers and buried itself into the tree that I wrapped it around. A 180gr FMJRN from a Glock 23 also at ~25 ft stopped on the first layer, although severely mushroomed.

It makes for an interesting argument for energy over momentum.