rules for expired tanks are dumb...PSYCHE!

[rawbutter]

you mean math like this?

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That meme is misrepresenting the government's stance. The CDC only recommends the vaccine for children age 12 and up, not 5 and up. Why? Because it's not as effective for children in the 5-12 age range. The risks outweigh the rewards at that age. So, those kids are better off just wearing masks.

I'm glad you brought this up, actually. I know you were trying to poke holes in my math, but I think instead you pointed out that there is some nuance to this. Taking the vaccine can be the wrong choice for some people, like kids of a certain age, but for the vast majority of adults, taking the vaccine is the right thing to do.

So yeah....don't vaccinate your kids until they're 12 years old, everyone. Make them wear a mask instead.

[Pyrate Jim]

Well, since the thread about tanks is a farce and actually about the virus again, I read an interesting statistic;

In 2021, 214 children 17 years and younger have died from covid nationwide.
In 2021, 303 children 17 years and younger have been shot on the streets of Chicago alone.

[rawbutter]

Well, since the thread about tanks is a farce and actually about the virus again, I read an interesting statistic;

In 2021, 214 children 17 years and younger have died from covid nationwide.
In 2021, 303 children 17 years and younger have been shot on the streets of Chicago alone.

Yeah, that's terrible. What's your point?

[Loguzzzzzz]

I happen to live in California and have 5 year old daughter!
So YEAH THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ME!
My daughter is not in school today to protest this mandate! Hoping this will raise an eyebrow here where we have arguably the worst governor in history. COMPLETE HYPOCRITE. . . . Do as I say, not as I do!
Total 4$$HOLE!

[Tunaman]

I happen to live in California and have 5 year old daughter!
So YEAH THIA IA IMPORTANT TO ME!
My daughter is not in school today to protest this mandate! Hoping this will raise an eyebrow here where we have arguably the worst governor in history. COMPLETE HYPOCRITE. . . . Do as I say, not as I do!
Total 4$$HOLE!

and the liberal morons voted him back in AGAIN. I hope they wallow in their own shunt!

[Nobody]

I happen to live in California and have 5 year old daughter!
So YEAH THIA IA IMPORTANT TO ME!
My daughter is not in school today to protest this mandate! Hoping this will raise an eyebrow here where we have arguably the worst governor in history. COMPLETE HYPOCRITE. . . . Do as I say, not as I do!
Total 4$$HOLE!

And John, it seems that you want to protect and make sure that the safety of your adorable baby girl(which couldn't come from you, cause your ugly ), is 1st and foremost. Any parent shoul and would, so wearing a mask would be an extra layer of protection, likewise making sure that those people around them are vaccinated and are wearing masks when out in the public which can only help keep the vius contained and then less likely to spread.

So like crashing your car into a brick wall. Sure, you can be in a 1950s caddy and not be hurt, but what is safer? That caddy, or a car with crumple zones, airbags while wearing a setbeat? All are layers but only some think it won't happen to them. A virus doesn't care what political, religious, or ethnic group you belong to.

[rawbutter]

I happen to live in California and have 5 year old daughter!

I didn't realize that California had a separate mandate for school kids. I only just looked that up. I've been talking about the national mandate, which doesn't apply to children that young. Sorry for the confusion.

And yes, I can understand why you're scared about your daughter being vaccinated. I actually agree that she shouldn't be vaccinated yet. The CDC hasn't yet cleared the vaccine for children that young, and I believe that politicians should follow the science, not the other way around. So your governor is probably jumping the gun on this.

If it makes you feel any better, though, it's also likely that the "facts" in that meme aren't accurate. Take a look at this. Or this. The truth seems to be that the covid death rate is much higher than the meme suggests, and the ill effects of the vaccine are much lower. So far no children that young have died from the vaccine in any clinical trials.

As for other children, this article explains that for children age 12-17 (about 12 million of whom have received at least one vaccine shot) 14 have died, and 2 of those were suicide (which doesn't count as a vaccine death, I guess ). So, the vaccine might cause maybe 12 deaths in 12 million, or 1 in a million. Compare that to fact that of the 73 million children in the US, 700 have died from covid...or about 9 in one million. I know those numbers are crazy small, but getting the vaccine is still the safer choice...9 times safer. (Even gun violence in schools is a greater risk to kids than the vaccine.) I know that's a lot to take in, but hopefully it helps you to be a little less scared about your daughter.

Also, I'd really like you to take a moment to consider all the other people that your daughter interacts with....people like my wife. My wife is a high school teacher, and the single greatest threat to her safety right now is the kids she is teaching. How messed up is that? It's certainly true that covid is much less of a danger to children, but they can also easily carry the virus and transmit it to adults. And the even crazier thing is that it goes even further than just school. My wife's father just had a stroke this past weekend, and she really wants to go and visit him. But he's 85, and she works in a school. She's scared to death that if she goes to see him, she'll pass on something from one of her kids. And it certainly doesn't help that many of her students aren't vaccinated (even though the vaccine is approved for that age group) because their parents are choosing to trust memes more than science. Therefore, we're staying at home and only calling him on the phone every day, even though we want to be at his house helping him with all the stuff he's dealing with right now.

So yeah, at this moment, I agree that your daughter should skip the vaccine and only wear a mask, because the vaccines haven't been approved for children that young. Yet. But if that changes and the vaccine is approved, I hope that you will trust the scientific consensus more than a meme wandering around Facebook.

[luke]

Did dad get the covid vacc, if so when?
Is your wife vaccinated for c19?

[rawbutter]

Did dad get the covid vacc, if so when?
Is your wife vaccinated for c19?

I really don't get why you asked this question, but....

Yes, my father-in-law got both shots.
Yes, my wife has both shots and a booster.
I have my two doses and I'm planning to get the booster today, as a matter of fact.

Nevertheless, there have been plenty of "breakthrough" cases of covid-19 (people who have been vaccinated but still get sick), especially among the elderly. Almost 7000. Granted, that's only 0.006% of vaccinated people, but still, my father-in-law is elderly, which is higher risk, and my wife works in a school, which is higher risk. Add those two together and, well....I'm actually not sure how the math works out. But it's worse.

And if you think that it's silly that we're concerned about a 0.006% chance of catching covid after being vaccinated, well....some of you here are scared of getting sick from the vaccine itself, even though you only have a 0.0018% chance of dying from vaccine side effects (which is over 3 times less likely). So if you think it's logical to be scared of vaccine side effects, it's even more logical to be concerned about breakthrough cases.

[luke]

Why is your wife concerned about getting covid if shes vaccinated?
Why is she concerned about giving her dad covid when their both vaccinated?
How long after dad got the vaccine shot did he have his stroke?

[rawbutter]

Why is your wife concerned about getting covid if shes vaccinated?
Why is she concerned about giving her dad covid when their both vaccinated?
How long after dad got the vaccine shot did he have his stroke?

I already answered your first two questions in my previous post.

As for the stroke thing, my father-in-law is fine, all things considered. Thanks for asking. The stroke was relatively minor, and not his first. He has a history of....um, low blood pressure? I can't remember what causes his strokes. But it's been going on for a while, long before he got the vaccine. He was in the first group to get vaccinated, so that was... when? February? Something like that.

So no, he did not have a stroke because of the vaccine.

[luke]

Got it, you dont actually believe the vaccine works but you're going to take it anyway.

[rawbutter]

Got it, you dont actually believe the vaccine works but you're going to take it anyway.

You're wrong. I've already explained why. If you don't understand what I actually believe by now, I'm not sure how to make it more clear.

Also, I've asked the mods to lock this thread. It has already served its purpose, and sadly it's now starting to devolve into something else. I don't want to see it suffer the same fate as so many other political threads, so I'd rather it just get locked where it is now.

[luke]

Your backwards logic only makes sense to you.

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[Xyxyll]

Your backwards logic only makes sense to you.

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And scientists. And doctors. And anyone willing to look at the data. Oh yeah, and billions of people around the world.