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Nobody...
I have a question, do you blame the gun manufacturer, the gun itself or the shooter....
Lets not even bother with the laws because criminals are inherent law breakers so any laws that are created truly only limit law abiding citizens...
...or maybe that should be my follow up question.......You know you want one!!Comment
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Oh look at the bait.
Nah, you were so good enough to set it out, might as well spit your hook.
Guns are an object. They are tools. The only difference better an axe, a car, an alcoholic drink k and a gun is, 1 of those things is in the constitution.
I do agree that riminals don't care about the laws. If you are law abiding citizen, then it shouldn't be any problem with any laws put before you.
But with that said, if you wish to argue about gun laws, you could construe that the founding fathers had no concept of a magazine fed weapon, thus it shouldn't be covered under the law so to ban magazines above a 1 shot weapon is merely confining the 2A to exactly what the founding fathers were writing about. The armed militia armed with muskets. Hell, let's even get rid of smokeless powder and go straight to black powder.
I believe that it is more people who feel that the gun is the only answer. It is an escalation that only results in more guns, more crimes and more violence.
And please for the love of Christ, find me multiple instances of people who were doing nothing that got their weapons taken away. Were are those law abiding citizens that were Shanghai'd and railroaded into loosing their constitutional rights? Or are you just going to give me the same cock and bull story of the evil libs are going to do it, one day, when they control the government and can vote in the right laws to do this all legally and stuff...
Hmmm, and yet you support people that wish to go against the constitution, this country and the freedoms it represents. Funny fence you're on Tuna.Comment
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The first repeating fire arm was built in 1779. by an Italian no less...for the record.
Do you really want to go down THAT rabbit hole? You can argue the pen and quill verses the printing press verses phones verses email. I am sure that they never envisioned the internet either.
It is a weak argument at best!
I expected a lame response and once again you did not disappoint!......You know you want one!!Comment
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Oh yes, let's disparage the Italians and there Bienelli, Beretta firearms manufacturers. I know, let's get the french in there and without them, we wouldn't have smokeless powder(yes, many other counties were working on it and it would be found eventually), and the first mass produced semi rifle, the RSC17.The first repeating fire arm was built in 1779. by an Italian no less...for the record.
Do you really want to go down THAT rabbit hole? You can argue the pen and quill verses the printing press verses phones verses email. I am sure that they never envisioned the internet either.
It is a weak argument at best!
I expected a lame response and once again you did not disappoint!
And if you really want to go down to brass tacks, shall I mention the Pucklegun?
The fact is that, even though a repeater was invented halfway across the world does not make it known to the greater extent of the world. But you are also forgetting the various duckfoot and volley guns, which can also be considered. Yes, you want to go down history's path, that is fine. But my point is still that, when written the 2A did not make mention nor did it make provisions for an exact definition of the word, "armed militia" with what they should be armed with.Comment
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Government wants this to be your only arms
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Weapons of the day. Plain and simple.
If you think about it how could it be anything less. If you have a militia to fight a TYRANNICAL government, or enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC how could it possibly less.
Try and apply some logic here...��
Why would I try to disparage the Italians for goodness sake, I am one. I don't think we get the credit that we deserve. Everyone thinks the Germans are the best engineers. I happen to feel the Italians are...but then maybe I am just a little biased.......You know you want one!!Comment
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Well, since the constitution was written for a very young country that was trying something new, a representative democracy that had no standing army, remember England's New model army and the idea of a professional army was only started about 130 years from the ratification of the constitution, that all men were being asked to help this nation, in order to fight more established countries if and when they decided to wage war upon this country.Weapons of the day. Plain and simple.
If you think about it how could it be anything less. If you have a militia to fight a TYRANNICAL government, or enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC how could it possibly less.
Try and apply some logic here...��
Why would I try to disparage the Italians for goodness sake, I am one. I don't think we get the credit that we deserve. Everyone thinks the Germans are the best engineers. I happen to feel the Italians are...but then maybe I am just a little biased.
The word tyranny was used to represent ideas that were against our very own and of course. Foreign and domestic, were of course represented countries and people who wished to take over this country, going against the very ideas that the constitution stood for, that all men were created equal, not because they had a letter behind their name, not because they associated with a movement that wears red hats(kinda like Italy's black shirts, or Germany's brown shirts) and certainly not because they didn't like the outcome of an election and decided to change the outcome of an election by force.
So thank you very much in putting those words out there, to prove a point that the domestic aspect of someone trying to go against the constitution represents a tyrannical attempt that those people who supported a twice empeached, failed ex-president is, by status of the constitution a domestic tyrannical leader that arms should be taken up by all people of this country to be put down like a rabid dog.Comment
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That's quite extreme. Advocating armed assault against American citizens over political differences.
In fact, that could be construed as a death threat. Maybe You should start a Jihad. (or not)
In the case of 2a, it's not the weapon. Any weapon in existence can be copied and turned back against the original. It can be a nebelwerfer or a nuke or a deathstar.
Which part of 2a comes first? The Militia. The People. Those willing to fight & risk all for their homes and families from their doorstep.
It was written by men who did fight and start a revolution against a tyrannical King for taking away the guns and increasing taxes.
The "Boston Tea Party" was held over a 4% tax.
We're not here to talk history, right? Mid-terms coming up in what? 26 days?
I have to say that locally the independents are a mixed bag, a few good ideas scrambled up with a whole lot of half-baked nonsense.
However, collectively they do outweigh other main parties 97-8. Out here Dems don't look good, and republicans not much better, so the indies may have a chance.
In the bigger picture, let's lay some odds.
Dems hold both House & Senate ~ 20-1
Dems keep the Senate ~ 15-1
Dems keep the House ~ 10-1
Putin nukes Ukraine just before the election ~ 10-1
(don't think they don't watch us)
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And what does it say to those persons who supported a man, a movement that sees an armed insurrection as just a peaceful protests, as they erect gallows, storm the governmental seat of power all because more people don't believe his lies than do?
Maybe we should be talking history, as so many think they have a clue when it goes exactly against the truth. It is not my truth or an interpretation of it, but the cold, hard fact of the matter. It is nice you sited the Boston Tea party, but mix up the reasons for that protest. No taxation without representation. Ever hear that sentence? It means that the unfair, towards the colonies in America, taxation of items(it wasn't just tea), without a say as to what is being taxed upon or where those taxes go is unjust, as those colonies do not have a say in the matter.
It was never about taking away the colonist's guns. I don't even know where that came from. Taxes and having no representatives in the English parliament was the spark that started it all.
So do you handicap just from what you think is going to happen or do you have some form of basis to draw upon?
Also, it is rather macabre to think that those odds for Putin to go nuclear is not right. Not the odds but the fact that you have them so low and seemingly, since you posted them to want to see this happen. That is not right, that is rather despicable.Comment
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Not quite. The "cold hard facts" as you say was the FBI paying Danchenco for fake news, and the FBI taking that fake news to a FISA court to get a fake warrant to spy on a sitting President. All of your "facts" are LIES and you know it. 2 fake impeachments based on LIES. Keep believing the LIES that CNN and MSDNC tells you. You will go far.
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Tuna, I was talking about a piece of history not anything current. Try actually reading the written. word not one of your fever dreams of what you think is being said. With that said, whatever you are talking about could easily be proven in a court of law, just like the 61 cases that the ex-president brought from this last election that all but 1 case(which was a narrow judgement that had no bearing on the total outcome). So who is spreading more lies? Maybe trump should start a farming equipment co.pany. he seems to spread more manure than International Harvester.Not quite. The "cold hard facts" as you say was the FBI paying Danchenco for fake news, and the FBI taking that fake news to a FISA court to get a fake warrant to spy on a sitting President. All of your "facts" are LIES and you know it. 2 fake impeachments based on LIES. Keep believing the LIES that CNN and MSDNC tells you. You will go far.Comment
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"No taxation without representation" has become a joke. The only ones represented are the lobbyists and special interest groups that pour money into politicians' pockets in a legalized form of bribery. A story older than the Bible.
I feel it should be "No taxation without justification". Hold the Government accountable for the money we earned and they spend.
As far as the odds I post (I reserve the word "handicap" for our current admin) my basis is often what is reported as news filtered through my personal lens of seeing through B.S. from a study of history. Things like Putin's invasion of Ukraine is a page-by-page repeat of the playbook Stalin used in Poland in 1942. The only way for Putin to exceed that is the use of weapons Stalin didn't have, and Russia already moved their 12th group south. You know, that special force in charge of Russian nukes?
Things like the gender dysphoria both the Greek & Roman Empires experienced during their collapse that we see happening today in our own country. (but let's not go there)
So, if you don't like the odds I give, you are more than welcome to offer up your own opinions described in mathematical terms rather than emotional diatribes over an "armed insurrection" which is a whole crock of B.S. I mean C'mon, man!
The FBI knew over a week ahead that some in the crowd may be armed. There were what? 40-50 thousand on the Mall that day, if only 2% were law-abiding legal carriers, that's 1,000 guns. Doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to know that was likely in a crowd that size...
How many guns did we see in the videos? Zero. How many shots were fired that day? One. Who pulled the trigger? Capital Police. Who died? One unarmed woman who was shot, and one police officer who had an embolism.
The first person arrested that day testified to the Jan 6 committee that He was a member of Black Lives Matter, posing as a MAGA supporter. We saw the videos of Capital Police opening the barriers to let people in. Nancy Pelosi had film crews already there to record it (including Her son-in-law outside and grandson inside) and turned it into a political ad shown on CNN.
And let's not forget Ray Epps in that ad, that "poor schmuck" who was recorded encouraging protesters to get inside the building and, Gee Whiz! He just happens to be married to the head of the U.S. division of Dominion (the ones with the voting machines). Nothing to see here folks, just go about your business ~ Nothing suspicious here, no black flag ops going on. It's all Trumps fault. Just like the economy, inflation, border crossings, fentanyl deaths, gas production, crime increase, racial division, homelessness & squatters. Yeah, I know the Dems have held the White House, the House & the Senate for almost two years and haven't done much to make it better, just assigned blame rather than make improvements, but it's not their fault. It was like that when they got there.
Or was it?
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