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  • synreal
    code monkey
    • Oct 2001
    • 1051

    #16
    Code:
    Dr. Math -
    
    In our Accelerated Algebra II class, we have been discussing when we 
    would use the imaginary number "i" in real life. My teacher 
    recommended you for the answer. I hope you can help us. Thank you!
    
    Sincerely,
    Chris Valentine
    
    
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    Date: 11/21/2001 at 08:01:48
    From: Doctor Jerry
    Subject: Re: When in real life would you use and an imaginary number 
    (i)?
    
    Hi Chris,
    
    It would be easier to say who doesn't use complex numbers. 
    
    Since complex numbers are often called "imaginary numbers," they often 
    become suspect, seen as mathematicians' playthings. This is far from 
    the truth, although not easy to prove. If you were to spend some time 
    in a university library looking through physics, engineering, and 
    chemistry journals or through books in these disciplies, you would 
    find many applications of complex numbers. But this is difficult, 
    since the uses are often buried under a lot of terminology.
    
    Complex numbers enter into studies of physical phenonomena in 
    unexpected ways. There is, for example, a differential equation with 
    coefficients like a, b, and c in the quadratic formula, which models 
    how electrical circuits or forced spring/damper systems behave. A car 
    equipped with shock absorbers and going over a bump is an example of 
    the latter. The behavior of the differential equations depends upon 
    whether the roots of a certain quadratic are complex or real. If they 
    are complex, then certain behaviors can be expected. These are often 
    just the solutions that one wants.
    
    In modeling the flow of a fluid around various obstacles, like around 
    a pipe, complex analysis is very valuable to transforming the problem 
    to a much simpler problem.  
    
    When economic systems or large structures of beams put together with 
    rivets are analyzed for strength, some very large matrices are used in 
    the modeling. The eigenvalues and eigenvectors of these matrices are 
    important in the analysis of such systems. The character of the 
    eigenvalues, whether real or complex, determines the behavior of the 
    system. For example, will the structure resonate under certain loads. 
    In everyday use, industrial and university computers spend a 
    significant portion of their time solving polynomial equations. The 
    roots of such equations are of interest, whether they are real or 
    complex.


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    • Jonno06
      AKA Jon-no wang
      • Jan 2002
      • 4392

      #17
      ok,so the next time i am a University computer firguring out polynomial equations,ill remember to use "i"

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      • synreal
        code monkey
        • Oct 2001
        • 1051

        #18
        whether or not YOU personally use it is irrelevant, it is a real number and it is applied in the real world

        for example, that breath you just took, the rate of reduction of air speed moving into your lungs can be plotted as a function of i


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        • AllAmericanMag
          No.
          • Dec 2001
          • 1026

          #19
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          • gimp
            Registered User
            • Jan 2001
            • 2368

            #20
            jonno06 - Your going to find that there is a lot of stuff in math that you don't think you'll need to use. You'll need a lot of it than you think. Just keep that in mind while your learning the basics here.

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            • XspyX
              I sleep naked!
              • Jan 2001
              • 1556

              #21
              i = squared root of -1
              i^2 = -1
              i^3 = -i
              i^4 = 1

              Just did a section on "i" in AlgII. Only use "i" has to me is to simplify equations down another level...dunno bout you guys


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              • irbodden
                Registered User
                • Dec 2000
                • 3413

                #22
                The squareroot of ANY negative number is imaginary as it the Log of ANY negative number.

                So far everyone else has been correct as well.

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                • Jonno06
                  AKA Jon-no wang
                  • Jan 2002
                  • 4392

                  #23
                  if i^4=1,would i be .25??

                  i would much rather use common sense to find my answers......

                  i had a question on my home work yesterday....about bags of fertalizer and the area of my house/yard.First we found total area,then subtracted that of the house(since we wont fertalize our house).....and it came out to each bag covers 3500....i looked at all the numbers...and guessed 3...i was right...but even if i baught too many,i could take it back,if i had too less,i could buy more......its just common sence...

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                  • ThePatriot

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Jonno06
                    if i^4=1,would i be .25??

                    i would much rather use common sense to find my answers......

                    i had a question on my home work yesterday....about bags of fertalizer and the area of my house/yard.First we found total area,then subtracted that of the house(since we wont fertalize our house).....and it came out to each bag covers 3500....i looked at all the numbers...and guessed 3...i was right...but even if i baught too many,i could take it back,if i had too less,i could buy more......its just common sence...
                    He who thinks i^4 = 4 times i isnt very math inclined. I hope you see now, that this conversation is very good, and Jonno isnt the mathematician he proves himself to be.

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                    • Jonno06
                      AKA Jon-no wang
                      • Jan 2002
                      • 4392

                      #25
                      oh,did he mean like "I" to the power of 4???

                      i thought he meant "i" x 4....

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                      • XspyX
                        I sleep naked!
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 1556

                        #26
                        Means "i" raised to the 4th power.

                        i^4


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                        • gimp
                          Registered User
                          • Jan 2001
                          • 2368

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Jonno06
                          if i^4=1,would i be .25??



                          ah, your logic is a bit flawed there. In that situation, i would be 1 or -1. (1/4)^4 = 1/256.

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                          • SlipknotX556
                            Registered User
                            • Nov 2001
                            • 5054

                            #28
                            I have no idea what you people are talking about. I am failing math right now so dont ask me.

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                            • BTAutoMag
                              AO's Problem Child
                              • Oct 2001
                              • 7199

                              #29
                              yes they exist. they are the square root of a negative number.
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                              • ShooterJM
                                Shooter Wang - Ice Ninja
                                • Feb 2002
                                • 3651

                                #30
                                When I was learning it there were some people that had some issues with i as well.

                                We were told to think about "i" as direction (form zero) on the number line.
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