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[Gotenks]

hmmm here we go...

if you look in the newest super street, civic with stock crank, 370 horsepower.

now, look at this prelude

http://www.hondaprelude.com/setups/setupsdsply.asp?id=3337&gen=4&orderby=last_updated&order=DESC

552 horsepower, stock crank.

'nuff said.

and anyways, some of the extreme drag racing hondas with 700-900+ horsepower, for example, HP Racing drag racing civic has 722 horsepower... the cost of the crank? $1,500.

But I'm building a street car. Is 700+ even reasonable in a nimble little honda? No, so I have no worries, I'll just stick with the stock crank.

[obsolete898]

I don't really follow civic engines so maybe you could explain what those are in.

Maybe they can stand high revs, but how bout the Hp and Torque. I highly doubt it.

[obsolete898]

Well that does prove me wrong. But I still wouldn't trust that much power to that crank for to long. That lower half is in no way built for and kinda of power. But hey I'm wrong it can handle it. Also the valve train was a complete rebuild, so I was at least was half right.

[Zumina]

So the 20-30k plus the initial cost of the car yields a hardly-streetable honda that revs to a hand-numbing 9000rpm. 551hp is respectable, no matter how big the engine is. My only qualm is that the engine, although powerful, will only last 500 miles before it will need to be rebuilt/overhauled. I don't care who's name is on the engine, continuous revs to 8500rpm tends to affect longevity. However, if you have the money to waste (and the crazy desire to do so) go for it. I still think it's rather amusing that a 10k Honda with another 20k in parts is still outclassed by a 15k Camaro......

Oh, and concerning my "ricer" statement, I've seen people say the same thing oh so many times. "I'm going to hot-rod my honda and beat the crap out of your _____!" Sure, they add the CAI, exaust, and maybe an underdrive pulley or two. Then, they reach the point where the realize that building a Honda engine up to insane output levels is difficult, confusing, expensive, and laborious. So, they start in on the cheesy body effects, rims, spoilers, and *custom* interior accents. They're relatively easy to do, and yield an instantly noticeable difference.

So go ahead, drop your to-be down payment on a house or college tuition and prove me wrong!

[Zumina]

and here's another comic for yah obso

[obsolete898]

Well zumina has spoke the truth, may our brother Gotneks be healed by the light of truth.

Love the comic

[bornl33t]

there's no replacement for displacement... PERIOD no if's but's, when's ... or else is gonna change that

[obsolete898]

Originally posted by Heat
there's no replacement for displacement... PERIOD no if's but's, when's ... or else is gonna change that

Very true.

Small high reving engines sacrafice alot of torque.

[Gotenks]

uhm

"theres no replacement for displacement"

thats a pretty thick headed quote.

I'd like to see your 5.0 v8 decimate a 2.5 litre CART car.

I'd also like to see it take out an integra type-r at laguna seca.

the only thing its dominating is the quarter mile.

(there is a funny car team that built a honda engine to a 5.0 litre inline-four, with 4,500 horsepower, gets 5.5 second in the quarter mile, still slower than the 4.5's v8 funny cars get)

Don't get me wrong, the sound of a roaring v8 always sends a wave of energy through my body, but you guys are acting like its all about big engines, when its not.

[einhander619]

Oh yeah, this is my daily driver for sure...I dropped a mazda racing 4 rotor into it, good for a problem-free 800 hp. Then I woke up and changed my sheets.
Oh, and BTW,the replacement for displacement is a rotary engine and twin turbos! Anyone for an engine the size of a watermelon that makes 400 hp?

[Gotenks]

Originally posted by Zumina
So the 20-30k plus the initial cost of the car yields a hardly-streetable honda that revs to a hand-numbing 9000rpm. 551hp is respectable, no matter how big the engine is. My only qualm is that the engine, although powerful, will only last 500 miles before it will need to be rebuilt/overhauled. I don't care who's name is on the engine, continuous revs to 8500rpm tends to affect longevity. However, if you have the money to waste (and the crazy desire to do so) go for it. I still think it's rather amusing that a 10k Honda with another 20k in parts is still outclassed by a 15k Camaro......

Oh, and concerning my "ricer" statement, I've seen people say the same thing oh so many times. "I'm going to hot-rod my honda and beat the crap out of your _____!" Sure, they add the CAI, exaust, and maybe an underdrive pulley or two. Then, they reach the point where the realize that building a Honda engine up to insane output levels is difficult, confusing, expensive, and laborious. So, they start in on the cheesy body effects, rims, spoilers, and *custom* interior accents. They're relatively easy to do, and yield an instantly noticeable difference.

So go ahead, drop your to-be down payment on a house or college tuition and prove me wrong!

First off, the prelude did not cost 30k to build, more like 15k.

And I was hoping you'd realize honda did not build there cars for "drag racing".

Theres many things you could do, that isnt to the all out of tuning your car, instead of purchasin WINGS, and BODY KITS and crap like that.

If you know how to choose wheels, that could help a hondas quarter mile. Hey, instead of spending $300 on a wing, I could buy a z10 radius bar, eliminate wheel hop in my front wheel drive car! what... better 0-60 ft. time? better traction for the holeshot? yes, instead of putting a ricer wing.

what... instead of spending $1000 on my body kit.... I can get a hondata ECU, and a nitrous oxide system, although I wouldnt use one.

Better yet, for $2500 I could turbocharge or supercharge my honda!

Zumina, you seem like your telling me IM A RICEBOY. I'm not. I dont think theres nothing wrong with body kits and stuff, as long as its the last thing to do to your car. What pisses me off is that theres are so many "tuned" imports on the street, that are all rice, and no performance, besides some *****ty universal exhausts and $50 intake systems.

[Gotenks]

wow!

calvins pissing on a civic!

Honestly, I don't really hate any other car companies, its kind of silly.

Good cars come from all over the globe, hell, even korea, and there hyundai tiburon.

Course, your just as bad as the riceboys.

Riceboys: "mannnnn v8's suck! eat my veeetech power!"

zumina and muscle car heads: "hardy har har, theres no replacement for displacement! let me put my orange hunting hat away."

[einhander619]

I hope all those honda drivers are having a rice day!
I'm too tired to say anything important.

[obsolete898]

Two things Gotneks. A motor with 4 pistons will never make more horse power or torque than a motor w/ 8 pistons, if they are at the same level. Why, with 8 cylinders you have more displacement, which means more air, which mean more power, plain and simple.

Second camaros and mustangs out handle intergras all day.

I hate it when people think mustangs and camaros can't handle. Try going to an SCCA event with an integra and telling the guy with the LS1 F-body or mustang GT that you can beat him on the track, see what happens.

Update everyone, american muscle can handle the curves, and have been able to do so since pretty much the late 80's.

I dropped a mazda racing 4 rotor into it, good for a problem-free 800 hp. Then I woke up and changed my sheets.

Why in gods green earth would you disgrace some of the finest engineering in the world like that. BMW motors are fully capable of producing high amounts of power.


Personally I respect any fast car, and hey it's cool if you can do it on a 4 banger. But you must relise it's more economical to do it to a V8, and a 4 banger will never have the output a V8 will.

[Gotenks]

obsolete...

I know theres american muscle that can handle the curves...

mustang gt will decimate a civic and integra in the curves.