full auto and burst modes cheap???

[jerminator]

I live in a small town and we dont see much tourny action here so i mostly play recball. i find my self switching to 3 rnd burst and even full auto every now and then. It doesnt help my game any i just enjoy it a little more now for the question.

Do you consider using full auto/burst modes cheap and why???

[Thordic]

It's not cheap, its unsafe. There is a reason why those modes are illegal at any well-run paintball tournament.

In modes such as burst and full auto, the liklihood of a serious injury goes up drastically.

Imagine shooting at someone in semi-auto, and their mask falls off. You may hit them one or times after it falls off just because you have that many balls in the air still.

With burst or full auto, the liklihood of you have 4-5 balls in the air is much higher. The more balls that are in the air, the higher the chance that one will hit a vital area (eye, mouth) and cause an injury.

Granted some players can shoot at a ROF equal to many guns Full Auto rate, but usually not in a sustained manner.

Full Auto and such is just dangerous. If you need proof, go do a search for the video where Tom shoots Turd on full auto. From close range, it tore the guys tshirt to shreds, and even with rubber padding underneath his stomach was still all red.

[Hexis]

I look at it his way. All guns are slightly different so may ROF deepends on the setup and user. However in a semi world they all require 1 full trigger cycle per shot. I think adding FA to that fix is like trying to walk into a pump game with a semi. I think that would also be cheap and unfair. So if you can find a place where everyone had full auto, only then would I think things were fair. However, I highly doubt that many people would want to play in an all full auto game.

[TheTramp]

I think it has its place in things like senarieo games. One or two players per squad can use it as though they were machine gunners or some such.

As far as regular rec games, if everyone agrees that modes are allowed then go for it.

[jerminator]

unsafe????????

Originally posted by Thordic
It's not cheap, its unsafe. There is a reason why those modes are illegal at any well-run paintball tournament.

I never said in a tourny i strictly meant in recball and i dont quite understand exactly how it is "unsafe" besides if everyone adhears to the safety guidelines set you souldnt have prblems with eye or mouth shots ive been shot numerous time afeter saying hit by ball that were in the air right after the first one the big dif between full auto and semi is holding the trigger down or ripping on it

[Timmee]

I think the unsafe thing occurs when you have multiple balls in the air. If multiple balls hit the lens of the mask is quick succession, the fear is that one or more will punch the lense out from the frame, creating the serious risk of a permanent eye injury. The only time I intend to use F/A (or any other enhanced fire mode) is when I'm messing around at a targeting range. It's too much of a risk in ANY type of play (rec, tourney, scenario) to be safe.

As for semi, I recall hearing something about marker manufacturers attempting to agree on a bps cap of 13 in semi, to help prevent the same situation. I don't know if that's true or not, however.

[wes]

actually it would cost more becaues youd shoot more paint and break things if your going to use FA, i dont reccomend it but set it to like 5 bps or somthing i dont know or turn your velocity down to like 210ish I DONT KNOW ok

[FeelTheRT]

yes they are cheap to a certain extant, thats why there aren't any fields that allow them.

[JEDI]

I dont see a problem using 3 or six shot outside of tournaments. I can rip in semi mode a lot quicker any way. As far as balls in the air goes. I fire a lot of paint at you. If I hit you, chances are 3 or even 4 more may follow. Thats part of playing the game. I dont complain when it happens to me, and I hate to hear whiners when it happens to them. I dont think any one can dispute that.
I've fired snapshots that consist of 20+ shots from my back can. Is any one gonna tell me this is wrong? If you think it is, you haven't played competitive speedball. Modes dont belong in this type of play, but I think you can see the comparison.

[RetroEclipseMan]

Originally posted by JEDI
I've fired snapshots that consist of 20+ shots from my back can.

Dang. That's a good snap shot. I normally average about 2-3 balls per snap shot. maybe because it's i play front a lot. I agree that some player whine a bit about being shot too may times but in terms of recball where you are playing against people of all abilities there is a limit. That's why a lot of fields in washington have a 3 break rule and also no bunkering for rec ball at a lot of the fields i have played at.I remember playing my very first time and getting bunkered bad and almost never wanting to play again.

[MikeCouves]

20+ snapshots? That's not a snapshot, a snapshot is getting 2 maybe 3 shots off and hauling *** back into your bunker. Not hanging out like a gorilla for 6-7 seconds.

[zbody]

Anyone have any actual statistics on paintball injuries or is this just your opinions? I'll agree that it isn't cheap but the chances are the same as semi. You'll either get hurt or you won't.

[JEDI]

Have any of you guys ever fired an Emag? It doesn't take 10 seconds to shoot 20+ balls. You dont need to "hang out" to shoot that amount of paint. So yes, I would call that snap shooting. If your only job is to keep the opposite back player in, 20 balls is nothing. The point i'm trying to make is that full auto isn't used in tournament play, but todays guns come damn near it any way with semi alone.

[FatMan]

YES, UNSAFE! AND YOU KNOW IT!

Originally posted by jerminator


I never said in a tourny i strictly meant in recball and i dont quite understand exactly how it is "unsafe" besides if everyone adhears to the safety guidelines set you souldnt have prblems with eye or mouth shots ive been shot numerous time afeter saying hit by ball that were in the air right after the first one the big dif between full auto and semi is holding the trigger down or ripping on it

Well, you don't want to believe its unsafe - and you don't want to hear us tell you you shouldn't do it - you want us to tell you "its OK, go ahead and do it." Well, we're not going to, because its not safe and it isn't OK. There have been dozens of experts who know a lot more about it than you look at it and the unanimous conclusion is ITS NOT SAFE.

But people like keep you keep saying "I'll be careful, and I'll just use it a little, and I won't buy an electro that doesn't have it" and that keeps pressuring the industry to provide it. Of course, when acidents happen YOU don't have the money or insurance to pay for it, so the victems sue AGD or whoever made the marker. And it doesn't matter if it didn't COME with full auto, if its an AGD marker and it puts out some guys eyes, it costs them - so they have to buy more insurance and the cost of things goes up.

Its a bad idea - its bad for the sport, its bad for the industry, its just all around not a good thing, and the excuse that you are just BORED and want something more exciting to do is childish. Find something else to do, but don't come here asking for absolution because you want to do something WE ALL KNOW IS UNSAFE.

THERE!

FatMan

[FatMan]

Where's the proof?

Originally posted by zbody
Anyone have any actual statistics on paintball injuries or is this just your opinions? I'll agree that it isn't cheap but the chances are the same as semi. You'll either get hurt or you won't.

Go talk to Tom about getting sued for eye injuries and the people in the industry who have looked very carefully at this with medical professionals and all agreed ITS NOT SAFE.

And the turn around and sell full auto anyway.

You can make the argument over and over again and say if *I* can't give you the proof then it might not exist, but the reality is the studies have been done, they don't have to keep doing them over and over again.

Go ask Tom why he won't sell full auto - why he removing burst modes.

FatMan