full auto and burst modes cheap???

[FatMan]

Originally posted by JEDI
Have any of you guys ever fired an Emag? It doesn't take 10 seconds to shoot 20+ balls. You dont need to "hang out" to shoot that amount of paint. So yes, I would call that snap shooting. If your only job is to keep the opposite back player in, 20 balls is nothing. The point i'm trying to make is that full auto isn't used in tournament play, but todays guns come damn near it any way with semi alone.

OK, technically that's NOT a snap shot - but that is all besides the point. If you can do 20+ balls in semi and its the same thing as FA - why does anyone want FA? Answer that question and follow it to its logical conclusion and you see why FA is a lot more dangerous than semi.

FatMan

[zbody]

Anyone know where I could get ahold of one of these studies? I am not interested in getting in a debate whether or not full auto is safe, cheap, etc. I doubt that anyone's opinions will be changed here anyways. I am just looking for some unbiased research. Personally I had full auto available on my micro emagnum and didn't even use it. I could almost get the same results with the reactive trigger.

[Thordic]

Originally posted by zbody
I could almost get the same results with the reactive trigger.

Reactive trigger is illegal and unsafe as well.

As for getting the studies, I doubt they are published online, but use some common sense. Full auto puts more paint in the air at the same time, which leads to more impacts.

Not only do injuries increase, but so do problems such as bonus balling.

Do you enjoy bonus balling people? Because you will with FA or firing modes.

[zbody]

Originally posted by Thordic
use some common sense. Full auto puts more paint in the air at the same time, which leads to more impacts.

It really depends on what the rate of fire is set on full auto and how fast the semi shooter is pulling the trigger. Thanks for the help though. Anyone else with some real info?

[FatMan]

Originally posted by Thordic


Reactive trigger is illegal and unsafe as well.

Might want to be careful with that - there is more thanone def of a "reactive trigger" and one is OK, the other isn't. The trigger on the Automag RT or a RetroMag or an EMag in manual or hybrid mode is reactive, but not what you are talking about.

FatMan

[FatMan]

Originally posted by zbody


It really depends on what the rate of fire is set on full auto and how fast the semi shooter is pulling the trigger. Thanks for the help though. Anyone else with some real info?

GO ASK TOM - I believe he has references.

FatMan

[cphilip]

One fact here that needs to be understood is that if you accidently set off the trigger on a Semi Automatic marker for a breif moment of time only one ball comes out and if you accidently set off the trigger on a FA marker several balls come out. Increasing the likely hood of multiple hits and eye injuries. It's this Accidental situation that is most likely to cause the injury. And the probability goes up with the more balls in the air that one or even two of them will do damage. And these accidental releases are more likely to be at close range and more likely to strike someone without a mask on...You get it? We are not trying to debate teh use of it in actual play when people have their masks on. ITS THE ACCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN THAT MAKE IT UNSAFE. And if you can prevent an accident then it is no accident. Its on purpose. Leave it to the legal system to drive that one home on you. If it happens and we knew it could have happened and we allowed that possibility to exist anyway...we are now criminaly negligent. It's not safe and should be outlawed.

How in the world does anyone say they want to use it in Rec Ball and not Tournaments? Wher eis the difference? As if thats some kind of justification to be less safe in Rec Ball? Or that is would be Safer to do it in Rec ball? Nonsense!

In fact is more often, probability wise, to happen in rec ball! More people playing Rec. Sometimes less safety enforcement in Rec. Makes absolutely no sense to me.

[jerminator]

Re: YES, UNSAFE! AND YOU KNOW IT!

Originally posted by FatMan


Well, you don't want to believe its unsafe - and you don't want to hear us tell you you shouldn't do it - you want us to tell you "its OK, go ahead and do it." Well, we're not going to, because its not safe and it isn't OK. There have been dozens of experts who know a lot more about it than you look at it and the unanimous conclusion is ITS NOT SAFE.

But people like keep you keep saying "I'll be careful, and I'll just use it a little, and I won't buy an electro that doesn't have it" and that keeps pressuring the industry to provide it. Of course, when acidents happen YOU don't have the money or insurance to pay for it, so the victems sue AGD or whoever made the marker. And it doesn't matter if it didn't COME with full auto, if its an AGD marker and it puts out some guys eyes, it costs them - so they have to buy more insurance and the cost of things goes up.

Its a bad idea - its bad for the sport, its bad for the industry, its just all around not a good thing, and the excuse that you are just BORED and want something more exciting to do is childish. Find something else to do, but don't come here asking for absolution because you want to do something WE ALL KNOW IS UNSAFE.

THERE!

FatMan

OK well for starters I AM NOT coming here for absolution i simply wanted to get an opinion on whether or not using full auto is cheap or not so BACK OFF ok

I didn't start this thread to discuss the saftey issues of full auto and dont care how unsafe any of you consider it its your OPINION and you are entititled to it that doesnt mean i have to agree with it. AND ITS NOT PEOPLE LIKE ME that keep saying i just use it a little blah blah blah i dont say anything about it other then letting the people im playing with know that im using it. I would buy a electro if it didnt have full auto i dont realy care about fullauto on a marker i have an angel a minni mag a acouple of spyders i prefer to use the mag but the angel is easier on my air tank .
so THERE

[845]

Depends if it is a tank shooting full auto and theres a ref behind the gun it doesnt really scare me. If the field allows it so that everyone uses it it becomes a safety issue.

[FatMan]

Re: Re: YES, UNSAFE! AND YOU KNOW IT!

Originally posted by jerminator

OK well for starters I AM NOT coming here for absolution i simply wanted to get an opinion on whether or not using full auto is cheap or not so BACK OFF ok

I didn't start this thread to discuss the saftey issues of full auto and dont care how unsafe any of you consider it its your OPINION and you are entititled to it that doesnt mean i have to agree with it. AND ITS NOT PEOPLE LIKE ME that keep saying i just use it a little blah blah blah i dont say anything about it other then letting the people im playing with know that im using it. I would buy a electro if it didnt have full auto i dont realy care about fullauto on a marker i have an angel a minni mag a acouple of spyders i prefer to use the mag but the angel is easier on my air tank .
so THERE

Bull! And no I won't back off! Clearly you want to avoid the real issue - which is safety (so, ignoring the fact that its unsafe, is it cheap? - sheesh!) And you can call it opinion all day long, it doesn't change a thing. Its all opinion until it bites you in the rear.

FatMan

[jerminator]

Re: Re: Re: YES, UNSAFE! AND YOU KNOW IT!

Originally posted by FatMan


Bull! And no I won't back off! Clearly you want to avoid the real issue - which is safety (so, ignoring the fact that its unsafe, is it cheap? - sheesh!) And you can call it opinion all day long, it doesn't change a thing. Its all opinion until it bites you in the rear.

FatMan

LOOK I said i put up the thread to get an OPINION and thats what i meant. I personaly don't see the what you problem is i sasked a simple QUESTION about whether its CHEAP NOT IF ITS UNSAFE. one of my markers has the capability of doing it and i will do so if i choose. What is your problem cant you just vote and go to the next thread istead of badgering me like im some dumb 12 year old who's mommy and daddy bought them there gun im not a moreon so plese back off

[FatMan]

Re: YES, UNSAFE! AND YOU KNOW IT!

Originally posted by jerminator


LOOK I said i put up the thread to get an OPINION and thats what i meant. I personaly don't see the what you problem is i sasked a simple QUESTION about whether its CHEAP NOT IF ITS UNSAFE. one of my markers has the capability of doing it and i will do so if i choose. What is your problem cant you just vote and go to the next thread istead of badgering me like im some dumb 12 year old who's mommy and daddy bought them there gun im not a moreon so plese back off

Cheap and unsafe. Cheap because it is unsafe. No I can't just vote and go to the next thread, and no I won't back off. It's what I do. I badger young morons until they get it through their thick skulls. It's unsafe! Don't care if you're a 22 year old whose mommy and daddy let him do whatever he wanted when he was 12, we don't play that way out here in the real world. Don't care what question you asked, this is the answer I'm giving. NO FULL AUTO.

Getting it yet?

FatMan

[cphilip]

Once you open the door to ask opinions you are going to get em. And your complaining that they are too broad and cross into a related area are going to go unheeded. Open up a pandora's box and you get sometimes what you wish you didn't. Sorry but your lamentations of trying to limit this discussion to only what you wanted to hear are not going to be honored. Don't like some of the opinions? Ignore em. I feel you probably will anyway. Complain because they do not support your views? Well those are gonna be ignored too. You opened the door and now you can't shut it.

But lets keep it clean and no name calling you guys.

[Hexis]

Opinions are like, um ... Armpits. (yeah, that will work)
Everyone has one, and everyone's stinks.

I agree with the older wiser crowd. Full Auto is cheap/unsafe and in no way would it help the game out.

[FutureMagOwner]

i didnt read all this stuff but ill post what i know for statistics on masks

in a test someone took a camera that records at a really fast rate(i cant remeber exactly how fast) but what happens when the ball his the mask is that the mask litteraly bends in. now thats just one ball now your shooting full auto at 20 bps or something at this guy. you have a heck of alot of paint in the air going at that guy to the point where its practically ball behind ball. then lets say a string of 5 or more all hit the mask in quick succession. do you think that mask is still very safe? if it isnt broken then it would certainly do so soon after creating an incredibly dangerous situation. i know you can shoot at 10 bps or so with semi on these electros but you should be able to tell when to stop and with full auto newbies and even pros could keep shooting where they wouldnt on semi and thats when you get situations like that happening more often.