"Now I know"

[TheTramp]

While I do agree with most of what was said, it was obviously a conservative biased opinion that on one hand bashes Clinton (who was, after all, a president so I would assume should get the same sort of devotion as republican president) while implying that anyone who questions George W is not patriotic and couldn't believe in America.

I am surprised and disappointed that a moderator who generally closes political and religious threads even if he agrees with them has posted this strong political article. This would have been closed if I had posted it.

[Army]

No, I would not have closed it, had you or anybody else posted it.

This is NOT a direct statement towards ANY political party or person (ie: "If it wasn't for Klinton and the lousy Liberals, this wouldn't have happened.")

It is NOT directed towards ANY religion (ie:"See? The jews caused it.")

It contains NO referrences to ANY sexual act.

It is however, a wake up call, reminding you that freedom isn't free.

Don't play the semantics game, it makes you look silly.

[TRIAD]

What he said ^

[FrAuStY]

Personally I think the point was, too many "Americans" take for granted what our country stands for. Do you think the founding fathers would have stood for what happened on september 11th had they been in office during that time? I don't believe they would have. (Granted it was a different time then, but time is really a figment of the "Human" imagination.)

Too many times have thing been swept under the rug by our "Democratic Government". I even heard the President say something about "We should try to get on with our lives and look past this disaster", WTF is up with that? The day after they're wanting people to forget the whole thing! I say HELL NO I won't forget! As a matter of fact..I can still vividly remember the details of that frightful day. The goverment/media wants people to forget so they can be "under control", Personally I was ready to talk to my recruiter just to go and kill some freaking T's! (T=Terrorist, counter strike term.)

Also, most of the younger generation, (myself included) have never witnessed a genuine "reason" to stand up for our country! Previous generations did, i.e. Pearl Harbor, and for that... Mighty America rose for the occasion.. whooped some isass and then nestled back up to where we are today.

Anyway... the worst thing that can come of that day would be for people to forget it and move on with their lives. Then...all the lives lost on that day would have been in vain. I believe every person young or old should have a place in their hearts and memory of what happened, and to keep their heads up and Alert! If something doesn't look right notify someone. Too many people live their lives with the "Herd mentality" that the bureaucrats want. Seeing only the advertisements for articles in which the government makes money! I believe that if people were shown the footage everyday up until now... Bin Laden and every other terrorist organization could possibly have been eliminated by indivdual American extremists!

Don't think a backwoods Kentucky, Moonshine stillin' redneck with a 308 winchester wouldn't like an opportunity to track some of these cowards down and have them for dinner.

Just my ranting thoughts (two cents)... I personally Love my country and will do what's necassary of me to make sure its defended.

[TheTramp]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Army
[B]No, I would not have closed it, had you or anybody else posted it. [B/][QUOTE]

This I'll have to take your word for

[QUOTE]This is NOT a direct statement towards ANY political party or person (ie: "If it wasn't for Klinton and the lousy Liberals, this wouldn't have happened.")[QUOTE]

Then why did he specificly bring up Clinton and his past actions (not even going to debate the valititly of the statment)and ABSOLUTLY imply that he had done something wrong?

[QUOTE] It is however, a wake up call, reminding you that freedom isn't free. [QUOTE]

This I agree with and suport. But, as I said before, it's not the sentement it's the political nature of the post I'm questioning

Don't play the semantics game, it makes you look silly.

I don't see anything having to do with semantics in my post. Were you directing this at me? If I wanted to play the semantics game I would point out that my post had nothing to do with semantics and who is it that really looks silly for trying to make this point? I'm sory but calling me silly isn't a good way to make your point.

I'm not sure why it looks like my responses were in Army's post.

[Paintballer86]

That makes me want to go and kick some Terrorist TAIL!

[Army]

It IS semantics. It is NOT a biased "opinion", he stated the truth. The truth is not an opinion. Klinton GAVE (not sold) scramble and frequency jumping technology to Iraq, Yemen, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Oman. America lost many lives to terrorists, and all Klinton did was launch a few missiles against empty buildings and fields.

Contrast that with George Bush going to war to help a friend (Saudi's, Kuwait), Reagan going to full attack against terror and communism (Grenada, Panama, Libya), and George W. Bush going to war against terrorism.

On one hand, you have a draft dodger who "loathes the military" and demonstrated in Moscow against the Vietnam war. While on the other, an accomplished fighter pilot who un-questionably did his duty for his country.

I am Patriotic to the core, that alone is a political statement. The Gunny is obviously Patriotic to the core (Corp?), and sees the truth. But he did not write all that to simply bash Klinton, he pointed out that Americans have become sheep, ever willing to follow the tinkling bell. Not me, call me the black sheep in this family, but I'm not going without a fight. And THAT is what it's all about.


...and pbstu, blow it out yours. Army

[pbstu]

heh, ya army ill get right on that.
i agree with most of what he said, the media does need to change, but not in the ways he wants, pacafism is a little naive, but war or something approaching war, as he seems to want is definitaly not the anwser, clinton did have his problems, but if you dig deep enough Bush beats him hands down in that category.




stu.

[than205]

Originally posted by Army

...and pbstu, blow it out yours. Army

And this is indicative of a moderator?

That's the scariest of all things in this world, the rules only apply to us, not YOU!

This is about paintball, not a public soapbox for someone to pontificate their viewpoint.

[TRIAD]

This is the friendly corner, or off topic.

[Army]

Wrong. Read the header for this forum. It is for off topic discussion, meaning that even I get to express my views. Don't like my red-white-and blue views? Tough, nobody makes you read the threads.

When someone says "Yet another great example of American propaganda", I'm supposed to ignore that? What particular part of the Gunny's letter is a twisted lie? What part isn't true? Did America just invent the destruction of the WTC and 3285 lives, hundreds of thousands now out of jobs, the military on full and constant alert, forces of NATO, which include Canadian troops, under fire to hunt down those people who were responsible? Propaganda is the twisting or spinning of a lie. Show me the lies in the Gunny's letter.

Dig deep enough? Deeper than a lieing, womanizing, IMPEACHED President? What has GW done to embarrass himself, his family, or the country? You seem to know some insight that the rest of us in North America have overlooked.

When someone simply says "Another great example of American propaganda", do you not expect to ellicit a response from an American? Why not say our women are ugly, our dogs are dumb, and our Moms dress us funny. Either way, your ignorance shines through. You sound like just the persons that the Gunny was writing about, always quick to say something, with nothing to back up your words. Then, when some calls you on it, you want to whine about the "rules" and how I'm not playing the way you want to. Again...tough. The rules of this site I am very well aware of, and at no time have I stepped over them.

If you have a problem with me, please inform Webby about the situation. Be sure to include all your posts directed at me, or any "great American" flaming. This is the last I will respond to this thread.

[pbstu]

i suggest you get your definitions straight before you lecture me on them, propaganda doesnt have to be lies, it is the spreading of ones opinion, now granted this isnt purposeful, large scale propaganda, but it still falls under the definition of propaganda, being on a public forum like this.

and as for clinton, lieing, womanizing, IMPEACHED?
george W. Bush had serious connections to the attempted Reagan assassination. Bush holds the record in Texas for being the governer during the most amount of exacutions of any state in the history of the country, one of those executed was a minor, the US is the only country in the world to currently be carrying out executions of their children,(i wonder why some people dont like the US, hmm maybe its stuff like this?)this according to Amnesty International. add to this the fact that their were serious questions about the youths gulit. not to mention the one person that bush spared was a serial killer who had confessed to 600 cold blooded murders, and who mutilated the bodies in various ways which i wont go into here, now tell me why a minor with serious questions about his guilt died and a serial killer who has confessed to 600 murders lives?, all because of Bush. also the bush family has direct ties to nazis during WW2, its not a direct link to george W. but guilt by associastion is good enough in polotics. that is Bush. if anything Clinton has done beats that i havent heard it.





stu.

edit: just saw the additions to your post, for the record i was never on your case about the rules, read my posts. or if you were talking to someone else make it clearer.

[TRIAD]

Let's see this "information". And Clinton allowed sailors on the USS Cole to be killed without the perpetrators to be punished, that's cold-blooded murder. He blatantly disregarded this country's national security. And many people could've been saved on 9/11, or it could've been prevented altogether, if the Clinton administration had done its job. Now, you want to talk about cold-blooded murder? Or does it have to be direct for it to mean anything to you?

[pbstu]

actually the Bush administration was largely responsible for ignoring evidence suggesting something was going to happen on sept. 11, Clinton ignored some too, but it was largely Bush.

as for cold blooded murder and being direct, im not sure what you mean by meaning anything to me but if you want to open the history books (your references to clinton) i can list off some of americas more gruesome moments in the cold blooded killings.

"Let's see this "information"" not sure what you mean by this, it sounds like your echoing amries comment in his last post, and i believe i already spoke to that. if its something else please explain.




stu.

[TRIAD]

I want to see this information connecting the Bush family to the Nazis, etc. Now, you're trying to tell me the Clinton administration had nothing to do with the September 11 terrorist attacks? You have got to be kidding. The Clinton administration was deliberately attacked by these terrorists, and gave them vast technologies. Then, they did nothing to stop them. The Bush administration comes in, and has nothing to work with, as the Clinton administration did nothing. So, don't say it's the Bush administration's fault, when they had to play catch-up. It is truly terrible that the Clinton administration made such a fatal error. And how about the Clinton sex scandal, that had a profound impact on the nation and wasted valuable time, money, and human resources that could've been put to tracking down these terrorists. Stupidity and ignorance once again cost American lives.