Something I am sick of

[oldsoldier]

Ok, I am sitting here watching the news about our "detainees" in Cuba. Well, I just want to voice my opinion. These people claim they are being held illegally, and being treated inhumanely. Now folks, most of these people havent eaten 3 meals a day until they were "detained". They have medical treatment (better than some Americans get), shelter, and are allowed to practice their religious beliefs in peace. Now politicians are looking into if we should actually let them go. Let me ask this; do think, even for a moment, if we release these people (quite a few are british, and a few Americans are among them too), that they will return peacefully to Afhganistan, and never pick up a firearm against us again? These people wouldnt have had a problem if the press didnt go in there and start making a stink about it. These people are NOT prisoners of war. Therefore, they dont not fall under the Geneva Convention, which, in part, governs how we treat prisoners. They are detainees. Enemy combatants. To be returned at the end of the war. Period. I guess I am just tired of hearing about the "maltreatment" of them...when my brethren are there doing what they do day in and day out. Howe many prisoners do they have of ours? None. Why? They dont take them. Look what happened to the SEAL that fell from the chopper. Mercy? Humane treatment? you tell me. Where were his rights to practice religion in peace? They treat us as godless, and think we are without a soul. They dont have any moral repercussions with killing an UNARMED, INJURED individual. They dont see it as a cowardly act to kill someone who cannot defend themselves. God, this boils my blood!!!!
Sorry, had to vent.

[Jonno06]

i agree 110%...

thats like the people who are in jail get better benifits and whatever then most of the people living in america..

[HoppysMag]

personaly i think we should just ignore there "Complaints". do WHAT EVER we have to do to get what we need and then figure out what to do with them... we need to stop being so politicaly correct, we give in to protester and the PC scum...and we better not give in here... it will be the end...kinda like that island we were using for target practice till some dumb sheep herder got himself blown up... i mean how much brains does it take to realize some things happening here and the smokeing craters arnt nateral... and to me they are not human, they are the enemy, to be delt with how ever makes them no longer able to take up arms against us ( weather that means showing them how great america is or well killing them)... Johnny walker was lucky he didnt run into some one like me when he surrendered... Under some law ( i dont know which one ) you give up your citizenship when you join a hostile army. they claim he was practicing religios freedom and fighting the northern alliance... ya well how did that Special Forces guy get killed in the prison there?? Congradulations you just became a hostile force! o well those are my views, no flames, arguements, or human rights activist... how ever if i got the part about the law wrong please tell me cause i wanna know whats really up???

[shartley]

I will not get into what I feel about all this.. but I am sure most know anyway.

But I must point out that just because they are in Cuba does not mean they are not subject to US Laws. If they are on US Controlled Soil it is considered under US Jurisdiction. No matter where in the world you are at, if you are on a US Compound, under the US Flag, you are *in* the USA.

There are other reasons they chose Cuba, and it had little to do with getting around any Laws.

[obsolete898]

well US laws dont aply becaause they are in cuba so they can complain all they want

They are on a military installation, all US laws apply. Any Base world wide is considered US soil, same thing with embassies(sp).

Edit: Sam you're to fast.

[shartley]

LOL Sorry.

[HoppysMag]

whatever...

[pbstu]

hoppysmag...

and to me they are not human, they are the enemy, to be delt with how ever makes them no longer able to take up arms against us ( weather that means showing them how great america is or well killing them)...

so it is ok, in your opinion for americans to kill unarmed, possibly injured detainees(sp?) of war, but for the enemy to kill americans in the same fashion:

ya well how did that Special Forces guy get killed in the prison there??

is wrong and unjust?

or maybe they are sub-human:

and to me they are not human

and dont fall under the same standards?



stu.

[oldsoldier]

Sam, thats correct. But, as military detainees, they also fall under international law. The point I was trying to make was that the "inhumane" treatment isnt really all that inhumane...Anyway, I was upset. We didnt sign the Geneva convention either, but we follow its doctrine.
It just saddens me that we always play by the rules (with exceptions, I am aware of our past), but we routinely fight against hostile forces that dont treat POWs humanely.Not that we dont have cases where we havent...but, for the most part, we do. We dont summarily execute prisoners (no matter how much we think they may deserve it). We feed, attend medical needs, provide for their creature comforts, allow them to freely practice their religion (hell, they cleared a place to the East for them to worship!), and provide protection for them. And them? In this case the Taliban/Al Quaeda; kidnap, murder, murder, mass murder...ok...I am done.

[LittMag]

Originally posted by shartley
There are other reasons they chose Cuba, and it had little to do with getting around any Laws.

Cuba was choosen for security reasons. If for some reason one of them were to escape and they were being held in the US they could... well.

HoppysMag - On your passport it says that you can lose your citizenship for joining a Foreign military service, not just a hostile military.

[shartley]

[shartley]

Originally posted by LittMag


Cuba was choosen for security reasons. If for some reason one of them were to escape and they were being held in the US they could... well.

HoppysMag - On your passport it says that you can lose your citizenship for joining a Foreign military service, not just a hostile military.

Very true.... I just didn't want to get into it.

[HoppysMag]

so it is ok, in your opinion for americans to kill unarmed, possibly injured detainees(sp?) of war, but for the enemy to kill americans in the same fashion:

its a war and yes its ok for them to do so IF THE PEOPLE THEY KILL ARE COMBATANTS...

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ya well how did that Special Forces guy get killed in the prison there??
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is wrong and unjust?

or maybe they are sub-human:

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and to me they are not human
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and dont fall under the same standards?

im sorry but you lost me here??

mabey i was alittle harsh... obviously we need to feed them and not execute them and stuff but the fact is we are never gunna get any information out of the guys that know stuff unless we show NO mercy... the common conscript is no big deal just let them go ( like we did) but the leaders need to be interigated harshly... thats my feeling on it...

thank you LittMag for the clairification..

[pbstu]

so why do you think the american soldiers arent going ahead and interigating them harshly?


stu.

[HoppysMag]

because if they do the media/public will jump down thier throats and probibly get some one in trouble... ether that or they are cracking to easly ...

seriously what does this mean though

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ya well how did that Special Forces guy get killed in the prison there??
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is wrong and unjust?

or maybe they are sub-human:

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and to me they are not human
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and dont fall under the same standards?