Something I am sick of

[pbstu]

ugh read it all without the quotes, if you still dont know what it means then i cant help you. the quotes were just references from your post to back up what i was saying.

and whos fault is it that the media/public are so quick to jump down everyones throat and try and get people in trouble?



stu.

[Jonneh]

Off topic, but semi interesting fact:

In Germany, paintball is pretty much illegal, so the only (legal) place to hold a paintball event is on US Air Force bases.

[HoppysMag]

ok well the thing about the special ops is refering to how johnny walker claimed he was there for religous freedom, fighting in an army against the US an is claiming citizen ship.... and they do think of us that way, iv got no problem with it.

and the reason for people jumping down throats is the fact that everyone is so PC and dont enderstand that o ccasionaly people need to be killed to protect our country, to protect them... again this is my view you can argue all you want your not changing it.


EDIT: im not being racist or anything i am refering to who ever falls under the catagory of "The Enemy"...on that note i am going to end this here cause i know it will be a flame eventualy... if you want to discuss my views PM me...

[pbstu]

k well i dont know what you mean by PC. but if its everyones fault then americans are the real problem here, for forcing the media/public to take this view and in turn not interigate these people harshly. so that would make you and your fellow americans at fault here hoppysmag.



stu.

[HoppysMag]

hey if thats how you choose to see it so be it... America trys its best to help other countrys and we make enemys while doing so... and im not doubting that it is America PC additude ( PC= Politicaly Correct) and media but we have to be ready to take it to extremes to protect the general public... if we capture a ringleader we cant give him tea and cookies and ask him where his buddys are with a smile and "Pleases" we need to be ready and able to just beat the information out of him ( or if he a still refuses do some thing to him that will scare the others into fearing the US)... after a couple of them the next guy might realize its hopeless to resist and give in volentarily.. of course if they cooperate there is no need for it and as for regular grunts they just need to be detained and questiona and then Release/detained for longer or what ever. and if they treat our people with respect and humanity then we can do the same for them... you were posting your post whil i was editing but for now on please PM me cause i know this has a small eber ready to become a flame... thank you for keeping this discussion inteligent...

[obsolete898]

Originally posted by HoppysMag
if we capture a ringleader we cant give him tea and cookies and ask him where his buddys are with a smile and "Pleases" we need to be ready and able to just beat the information out of him ( or if he a still refuses do some thing to him that will scare the others into fearing the US)... after a couple of them the next guy might realize its hopeless to resist and give in volentarily..

Sorry but torture is against the Geneva Convention, not gonna happen. We fight under the Law of Armed Conflict, which means we do it lawfully and with honor(usually).

[HoppysMag]

ya it al depends on who captures him... im talking about the guys who dont always follow the rules...

[obsolete898]

I don't want to sound mean Hoppys but:


Shrink the damn sig!!!!!!!

[HoppysMag]

ok i try to turn it off after the first post but i forget some times

[Farlow]

Very interesting debate. I have been waiting for a place to rant as well on this topic. When some of the prisoners were interviewed and asked what they would do when released, they stated they would go back to figure out how to kill more Americans. I have a pretty good patience level, I also tend to be hot headed, but in my life time I am yet to ever throw a punch at anyone or hurt anyone out of anger. In this case after Sept 11, I would have no problem with seeing a bullet put into the back of each of their heads. May be extreme, but if you do not kill someone who is trying to kill you, then why bother even being around.

USA follows the rules, but is always the bad guy. People in the World hate us until they need our money. I do not mean to offend anyone with this next comment, but here is a very blunt statement: If most of the politicians and special intrests group were in place at the time of World War II we would have never gotten involved in the war and some of use would be speaking german, the others japanese and the rest would be lamp shades. My very distant relative was gased by ther germans in World War I, my grandfather took two bullets in World War II and my father spent 4 years in Nam. All of these sacrifices cannot go wasted due to a bunch or religious fanatics. We need to stand up and start wiping out these individuals and countries and make a point......and if we don't America will eventually become another empire next to the romans in the history books.

[HoppysMag]

^^^ thats what my dad always says when some country critzizes the US( especialy europeans) "If it wasnt for us they would all be speaking german" but i agree we need to start making examples like if we go into iraq we really need to show them...

[fenris69]

hmmmm

Interesting topic...

The detainees/pow's will continue to whine and demand because the world will always have a sympathetic response. People tend to forget rather quickly how they came to be there, and instead will feel guilty for keeping them...regardless of their future intentions. I know...it's silly, but it helps make us human.

Personally, they fought...they lost...they got better than they deserved from the victor. That's the way the world works. Ideologically? Well hell yes theyre gonna go kill some more. Why not? We in the west have to step off the moral soapbox once in a while to understand I think.