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  • pbstu
    Registered User
    • Mar 2002
    • 114

    #1

    microsoft's plans (long)

    taken from: www.wastedyouth.org
    original and comments can be found here: http://www.wastedyouth.org/news.php?nid=48




    Microsoft plans to implement Palladium DRM (digital rights management) in a hardware chip, initially implanted on the mobo, but later on embedded in the CPU, and employing hardwired encryption throughout. The purpose of this is to flag every file on the computer with a digital signature telling a remote server what it is. If it's an unauthorised file, the remote server will tell your computer not to let you execute it.

    This is basically an attempt to stop the trading of mp3's and/or warez.


    Secondly:

    Before an application can run, it too must have a digital signature remotely verified by another server. If the program binary doesn't match with any of the authenticated binaries, your computer won't run it. This, again, is meant to stop your computer running "unauthorised" software - which might be warez, or it might just be a nifty freewrae program that the authors acn't afford to have certified. Microsoft will be able to control exactly what your computer can and can't run.


    Thirdly:

    As most of you know, Microsoft employ a strategy of making their software deliberately obsolete - they make it forwrd compatible, but not backward compatible. With the laws of the DMCA, it will soon be illegal to try to make a software product that is compatible with another programs file types (for example, take the many office applications there are for Linux which have had some success in translating their arcane file formats).
    This has the effect of killing any competition in the water - since you're not allowed to make your new product compatible with any of the others, no-one will use it. And eventually people will give up using any of the others instead, since no-one else can read their documents. So the entire world will be left with one choice only for software - Microsoft.


    Fourthly (I don't know if that's a word, but it should be):

    Palladium will effectively ban free software, not just free stuff for Windows platforms, but free stuff for Linux, Mac, in fact every OS that runs on a Palladium enabled motherboard/processor. Why?
    In order to get the program to run on a palladium platform, you will need to pay to have your binary certified as "safe" by Microsoft's software authentification branch. And who in their right mind is going to pay for a piece of software they spent hours working on? It just wouldn't be worth it.


    It gets worse when it comes to open source projects, such as Linux and BSD. Those of you who know about these things will know that open source projects are created by freelance coders all over the world who create programs in their spare time and then give them to the rest of the world for free. Many of them also release the source code for free too, so that if you wish you can alter the program (such as to fix bugs, add features etc).
    Now, it would be bad enough if the owner has to pay a certification fee. But EVERY CHANGE that is made to the source code will require a new, seperate certificate to be created. Those of you who use Linux will know that so many things get updated so quickly, that this just isn't practical, and would cost the open source developement people millions of dollars. This is money they just don't have, and Microsoft knows it.


    Fifthly:

    The "secure network". This is the real clincher for Palladium. At first, they're going to make it so that it is possible to turn Palladium off at the hardware level. But it is created in such a way so that, if you try to connect to a Palladium web server, you won't be allowed to. Palladium machines will only be able to talk to other Palladium machines, and non-Palladium machines won't be able to talk to any Palladium machines.
    Hence, if Palladium reaches critical mass, there will be thousands of people the world over who won't be able to access the internet or even work on a network with Palladium machines, so by extension they will be forced to "upgrade" to Palladium machines.


    Sixthly:

    At first I thought: what the hell, this is only going to apply to x86 architecture (namely Athlon and Pentium chips, since it's only AMD and Intel who are involved at the moment). So, I could try another hardware architecture: such as the Mac/PPC, or the Sun Sparc, or an ARM, or any other kind of processor.
    But then I realside that even if I did, I wouldn't be able to access the "Palladium network" which could encompass the entire internet if this concept goes far enough. So all you Mac users would be effectively locked out; you too would have adopt a Palladium machine if you wanted your computer to actually do anything.


    Seventhly:

    Palladium will enable all your documents to be controlled remotely. No, this is not a joke. If Microsoft find you are using an outdated version of Office, all they need to do is send a message to your computer and it will no longer let you read any of your documents that were created with that application.


    MS WILL BE ABLE TO CONTROL YOUR COMPUTER!



    Even more sinister is that if Microsoft take offence at any of the documents on your machine (this could be porn, it could be a simple document containing DeCSS information or anti-Palladium information) then they can delete or alter it not just from your PC but from every other Palladium PC on the network.
    This has a remarkable similarity to the "Ministry of Truth" in George Orwell's "1984" where the government continually faked information, both new and old, the entire country over to make themsleves appear "correct" all the time.


    If Palladium ever becomes widespread enough, the internet as we know it today will be dead. Instead of being controlled by us, it will be controlled by Microsoft, and you will have no choice to do exectly what they say.



    Hence why I want to tell as many people about this atrocious idea before it become spopular, and M$ administer their miraculous spin to it to make it sound like the best thing since sliced bread.



    Sorry for the long post, but I thought everyone should see this.

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    -kraft of deviantart.com




    now this isnt paranoia, as posted by one of the users of wastedyouth.org this is being pushed by Joh Ashcroft and the Bush administration. with government behind it, it's only a matter of time.


    stu.
    ...and pbstu, blow it out yours. Army

    "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." -- G. W. Bush, 12/18/00
  • Restola
    Certificated Cloud Buster
    • May 2001
    • 2230

    #2
    NEWS FLASH: MICROSOFT IS NOT GOING TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD

    WAKE UP AND SMELL REALITY


    I am too affraid to ask what other crap you believe in.

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    • pbstu
      Registered User
      • Mar 2002
      • 114

      #3
      i didnt believe it until i saw the part about it being pushed by government, have you heard of operation TIPS? well that is already happening, screw being planned, and TIPS is bad, worse than this in its own way.



      stu.
      ...and pbstu, blow it out yours. Army

      "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." -- G. W. Bush, 12/18/00

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      • Restola
        Certificated Cloud Buster
        • May 2001
        • 2230

        #4

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        • pbstu
          Registered User
          • Mar 2002
          • 114

          #5
          ...and pbstu, blow it out yours. Army

          "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." -- G. W. Bush, 12/18/00

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          • Restola
            Certificated Cloud Buster
            • May 2001
            • 2230

            #6
            I'm sorry, I should have just ignored the thread. Stories like these just tick me off :-/

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            • FrAuStY
              a.k.a. Tom Green
              • Apr 2002
              • 1247

              #7
              This guy's not losing his mind, or overly paranoid. It doesn't surprise microsoft would do something like this. Have you ever seen or heard of a movie called "Pirates of Silicon Valley" if not..find it an watch it. It's the story behind microsoft and how Bill Gates came to be. It also involves Apple and it's president/c.e.o.

              Microsoft has always tried to sneak in architecture, and code that would allow them to "spy" on your machine. Real player has spyware imbedded in it's coding. It actually sends microsofts server's information about what websites you visit. They sell this info to marketing firms and advertiser's. I've actually seen it happen with a packet sniffer.

              Here's another article I found on Palladium/Longhorn. It's on www.Internetnews.com

              http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news...le.php/1378731

              Talks about similar things that this person has mentioned.

              You have to remember, businesses are around to make money. Once you've made enough and are somewhat on top, what better way to further accel, than knock-off your upcomming competetion? Make the hardware manufacturer's buy-in to your ultimate plan. This plan would involve making all other software manufacturers pay YOU to have their software "Authenticated" as "safe ware". Otherwise..their software would be useless, and they'd have no option short of filing bankruptcy and going out of business. Afterall any code changes would have to be "Certified" and thats gonna cost money. Money that goes to WHO? Microsoft.

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              • Coaster
                Registered User
                • Apr 2002
                • 421

                #8
                so if you dont' have the internet on your computer, you won't be able to access the Paledium servers.. and therefore, not be able to use your computer. I hope this never goes through.

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                • Miscue
                  Super Moderator

                  • Oct 2000
                  • 7105

                  #9
                  The article is a joke guys. Geez!

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                  • Dayspring
                    aka- The Day Wang

                    • May 2001
                    • 9664

                    #10
                    Conspiracy nuts...

                    Do you HONESTLY thinnk that something like this would go through?

                    A) It would give Microsoft a HUGE monopoly... Um, aren't they in court for that now? (duh)

                    B) They wouldn't just turn off your ability to use a program b/c you haven't upgraded. That's kinda ILLEGAL. You paid for the license to use it. It's yours. they can't FORCE you to do anything. (Don't try and say that they can. Are they holding a gun to your head? No. Don't like Microsoft? Don't use their programs.)

                    C) Can't access the internet w/o this specific motherboard? PUH LEAZE.

                    D) Backward compatibility? Um, Word 2001 on my mac can read any previous format and save it in any previous format. Where you been?

                    Time to get out from behind the computer conspiracy boy. Real world is calling.

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                    • HoppysMag
                      Hoppy's en Fuego!!!
                      • Oct 2001
                      • 3494

                      #11
                      i hate microsoft and i bet they will make a chip that stops copyright fraud and all that but they arnt gunna be allowed to change things on your computor...
                      "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." -John Morley

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                      • FatMan
                        Fat Wang
                        • Feb 2002
                        • 926

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Dayspring
                        Conspiracy nuts...

                        Do you HONESTLY thinnk that something like this would go through?

                        A) It would give Microsoft a HUGE monopoly... Um, aren't they in court for that now? (duh)

                        B) They wouldn't just turn off your ability to use a program b/c you haven't upgraded. That's kinda ILLEGAL. You paid for the license to use it. It's yours. they can't FORCE you to do anything. (Don't try and say that they can. Are they holding a gun to your head? No. Don't like Microsoft? Don't use their programs.)

                        C) Can't access the internet w/o this specific motherboard? PUH LEAZE.

                        D) Backward compatibility? Um, Word 2001 on my mac can read any previous format and save it in any previous format. Where you been?

                        Time to get out from behind the computer conspiracy boy. Real world is calling.
                        OK, I'm not a conspiracy nut - and the threats here are far from realized ... BUT, have you ever looked at the MDCA? Have you ever read one of these licenses you've bought? You would be REALLY surprised to see what stupid congressmen will sign into law - and once its there, the only way to get rid of it is through the courts - yuck.

                        In all honesty, I've been around longer than you - and no Word 2001 does NOT write all previous formats - it writes the ones MS is still willing to support - try to open a file from original Word, or Word 2 or Word 3. Can't do it.

                        Sadly, there are so many of you that DON'T understand what MS does that they DO get away with murder, and even the Justice dept couldn't stop them - there are many bad ideas out there, and many should be stopped.

                        I'm sure you think you know better, all I have to say is go LOOK at what's out there. It isn't a fantasy!

                        FatMan

                        Dirty old men need love too!

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                        • Restola
                          Certificated Cloud Buster
                          • May 2001
                          • 2230

                          #13
                          Originally posted by HoppysMag
                          i hate microsoft and i bet they will make a chip that stops copyright fraud and all that but they arnt gunna be allowed to change things on your computor...
                          I just have to ask: What OS are you using...

                          Thats what I thought. Maybe you should stop giving money to your so called "enemies".

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                          • HoppysMag
                            Hoppy's en Fuego!!!
                            • Oct 2001
                            • 3494

                            #14
                            windows ME , i never said they were the enemy i said i hate them... theres a diffrence between allies and friends... just cause i hate them doesnt mean they are my enemy... getting kinda defensive over this arnt we??



                            EDIT: would it be great if i was actualy using like a Mac or sumthing...
                            Last edited by HoppysMag; 08-29-2002, 04:33 PM.
                            "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." -John Morley

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                            • Coaster
                              Registered User
                              • Apr 2002
                              • 421

                              #15
                              mac's have superior hardware than PC's.

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