"random facts"

[Smoken]

Havoc_Online,
Genesis one does not state that the days were 24 hour days, but rather the same length days that we have now: "And the morning and the evening were the first day." And it continues to say that for each of the days of creation.

[beam]

Originally posted by pbstu
the very thought of where to begin contradicting that baffles the mind...... (im not going to because it will get the thread closed)



stu.

pbstu....can you email me your "contradictions" please?

Thanks.

[Will Wood]

Am saying this all as a Scripture Scholar (Yes, this will make my Religion Teacher Happy) but also as someone who does not belief in it.


As far as day goes, we don't really know what it means. A day could simple mean 24 hours (For the ancient hebrews the day began at sundown-So don't think of the time). Or it could mean a previous date, such as your grandfathers story of "Back in the day, I had to walk 5 miles to school in a foot on snow......"


The big bang WAS creation...

Neither side can have a singular origin of our existance. The religous people argue "How did the galaxy just get there? It was just there? Happened out of nothing? That makes no sense"

I argue the same point to my freind, who said the above quote..."How did your God get there?..." And the same questions.


In all....It doesn't matter. Who really cares lol. We are here....and I'm going to make the best of it.

[Havoc_online]

"And the morning and the evening were the first day."

true, however that does not really mean it was the same length of day as the day is now, it only means night and day, those few hours each day over time can make the difference in the long run. Plus it doesnt account for the length of months and years.

[FatMan]

OK, this might blow some minds, but if you understand relativity, then you understand that space and time are linked, and that time is affected by the density of space (or rather the density of the stuff IN space that creates the space) at any given point. Thus, at the moment of the big bang, one cannot talk reasonably about "days" in terms of hours or anything else. What is more, God, being not just a part of the physical universe, it outside of this frame of reference, and thus HIS perception of time is at best, well beyond our ability to understand.

Thus, it might not be so crazy to say that the universe was created in 6 days - nor is it unlikely that the 6 days was a metaphore intended to explain a concept that even today is beyond the comprehension of most. It may have taken 6 days, but those 6 days were nothing that you and I would have understood, given of course, that the world didn't actually exist yet.

Now once you have gathered that we can talk about the "creation" of God and what exists outside of the universe (God wasn't created, he always did and always will exist, he is not part of creation, and there is nothing outside of the universe).

What happens if all of the "stuff" in the universe is removed? Do we have empty space? No, we have nothing at all!

Go figure!

FatMan

[Havoc_online]

What about the possibility of dark matter?

[beam]

I think we sometimes doubt that it was a literal day because it goes beyond our comprehension.

But, if it wasn't a literal day, what would that have done to the vegetation that was created on the 3rd day? If we say that the creation days were really ages or longer periods of time (1000 years) that would mean that there would be a long period of light and another long period of night. Can grass grow with nothing but sunlight? I don't know...just a question.

Of course, I believe that it was the voice of God, not a big bang, that created the earth.

[magman007]

oh, so before the universe what was there? a clear drawling board like in cartoons when they run of the strip? the olny problem with creation of the universe is that before the universe there was nothing right? well that is impossible. there was no color information so there fore was it clear? well with no light information, the color black is generated from darkness.



Also, the universe is expanding, expanding th where? i think out next step should be to out run the universe
and find out where it goes. also, send something into a black hole for god sakes! i wanna kno what happens!

[rhetor22]

It all began with Sponge Bob. He is the devine being. At first he was somewhat triangular, but with the creation of the universe he took on another corner. He is now Sponge Bob rectangular prism pants.

Its true. I saw it on tv.

[beam]

Sponge Bob Rules!!!!!

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by magman007
oh, so before the universe what was there? a clear drawling board like in cartoons when they run of the strip? the olny problem with creation of the universe is that before the universe there was nothing right? well that is impossible. there was no color information so there fore was it clear? well with no light information, the color black is generated from darkness.



Also, the universe is expanding, expanding th where? i think out next step should be to out run the universe
and find out where it goes. also, send something into a black hole for god sakes! i wanna kno what happens!

yes, it IS expanding. But, the rate of expansion is slowing down.

The impetus given during the big bada bang, isn't enough to overcome one simple physical law: Gravity.

When the force of gravity finally does overcome the velocity at which the universe is expanding it's going to start collapsing in on itself.

Now, this is the cool part. When is collapses, all that matter that has been spreading out since the start is going to start moving faster and faster in towards itself, and eventually it's all going to meet in the middle. It's going to compress so much that it's going to explode again.

Is this another Big Bang in the making? Is the universe infinitely old and just into another iteration of it's own expansion/contraction cycle?

Could you descibe it as God's cosmic Yo Yo?

[magman007]

well, after a while, a long arsed while, the explosions will get weeker and weeker.... also with antimatter floating around (yes it does exist) and black holes, all matter wiill soon be formed into something else. because matter cannot be created nor destroyed... well now that has been proven impossible, because it had to come from some were, ans with antimatter it can be destroyed. so...... i guess, i will call it like the ripples in a pond
they expand outwards, but colapse in on eachother when they hit the sides and return

[FactsOfLife]

I think you're confusing matter, with energy.

Matter can certainly be destroyed, energy however can not. It can be changed but not destroyed.

[RTrampage]

Originally posted by FatMan
OK, this might blow some minds, but if you understand relativity, then you understand that space and time are linked, and that time is affected by the density of space (or rather the density of the stuff IN space that creates the space) at any given point. Thus, at the moment of the big bang, one cannot talk reasonably about "days" in terms of hours or anything else. What is more, God, being not just a part of the physical universe, it outside of this frame of reference, and thus HIS perception of time is at best, well beyond our ability to understand.

Thus, it might not be so crazy to say that the universe was created in 6 days - nor is it unlikely that the 6 days was a metaphore intended to explain a concept that even today is beyond the comprehension of most. It may have taken 6 days, but those 6 days were nothing that you and I would have understood, given of course, that the world didn't actually exist yet.

Now once you have gathered that we can talk about the "creation" of God and what exists outside of the universe (God wasn't created, he always did and always will exist, he is not part of creation, and there is nothing outside of the universe).

What happens if all of the "stuff" in the universe is removed? Do we have empty space? No, we have nothing at all!

Go figure!

FatMan

...Wow.... I think my brain just shat itself.

[magman007]

no, matter and energy are the same way, matter can be converted into energy, but not destroyed