christian music is often preaching to the choir. and there is nothing wrong with that, i just dont want to hear it.
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My faith is true, and why in the world is it scary? And just cuz his life is about whores, shooting people, and drugs dosnt mean its good lyrics. If I cleaned bathrooms everyday, would you like to hear my rap about cleaning cleaning up feces filled with corn, describe its texture and the smell of the urine in the bathroom? How the vomit is a light color of green and smells rank? No. So how is killing people and the other things music worth listening to? Music has a spirit to it, if you listen to music about killing and stuff, its proven you will be more aggressive and want to do this kinda thing. So yep. Oh and Christian music also saves alot of people. Five Iron Frenzy for one plays a lot of secular concerts, with secular bands being missionaries through music, which is pretty much what its about, not just "preaching to the choir".
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guess it depends on whos eyes you see it through. if someone can accept that some people dont believe what they believe and never will and they'll have my respect.
it does seem like a lot of what christians do (music and otherwise) is ment to build up there own self esteem. seems to be a very insecure religion. thats why i mentioned preaching to the choir. but this is of course out of the mind of a non-christian non-religious person.
luckily i can believe whatever i want.Comment
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Im not trying to flame anyone, just stating my opinion.
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Right on.Originally posted by Restola
luckily i can believe whatever i want.
...and MajorDamage, I'm not trying to flame you, but you have no idea what you are talking about. Most of his songs weren't about killing people.
"My faith is true" There can be two meanings to this, if you mean that it is correct, then you don't know that for sure, but you have faith in it. If you mean that you believe in it, thats fine.Comment
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No, I mean I know that it is true. You don't have to see the wind to know its there, but you can see the effects of it. And no I don't know alot about 2pac, but im speaking of most rappers in general. Almost all rappers rap from their life, and secular rap is basically drugs/killing/sex. And I don't think there are any lost causes, people who will never beleive. There are tons of people who say the same thing, but then something happens one day and they do. Oh, and what do you mean that alot of things Christians do, they do to build up their self-esteem? Im just not clear on what you mean, and therefore can't comment on it because im not entirely sure what you are saying. Thanx.
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i mean the same way rich actors pick up a cause and become an advocate for it. its to make themselves feel better.
the worst part about some christians is how they feel it is their duty to introduce you to the faith (relates back to why i dont like christian music taking all these different forms). in everything that talks about god there always seems to be a hidden motive. everyone wants to be a missionary.
im having trouble concentrating and organising my thoughts right now. ill be back later tonight and if you want me to elaborate ill try again.Comment
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Wow! This is still going!
First, my hats off to everyone for keeping it civil....a rarity in these types of discussions.
Faith is the evidence of things unseen. What a paradox, eh?
My faith is this: Accepting things that are not, as if they are.
One reason that I (I don't speak for all Chrisians) ever talk to people about Christ is because there is a lot on the line. I don't do it for self esteem, rewards, money, etc. I believe in a literal heaven and a literal hell.
Plus, Christ works. That's it. I can't prove it to you. I can't make you see. All I can tell you is that in my life, and many others, Christ works. He give me peace that passes understanding. He always has and always will.
This next thing is not meant to be arrogant or a flame but: I DARE any skeptic to truly accept Christ into his/her life.
You won't regret it.
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Well restola, I bet there are some Christians who "do it for the fame" but most don't. Its about leading people to Christ. Its like, if you were on a ship, and its sinking, wouldnt you try to get as many people to the lifeboats as you could? Thats why people try to lead people to Christ. If you know the truth, and don't share it thats selfish. If you KNEW that there were more than enough lifeboats, and you didn't tell the people who didn't know, THAT would be selfish. Its the same way.
Oh, and beam, I don't know if people could get saved on a dare
but if they truley did(like you said) im sure they could, but if you dare them i doubt it would be true. My 2 cents. Oh, and Jesus is better than a lifeboat though :).
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i guess my problem is not believing im drowning, and not caring that you have lifeboats :)
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Ok. But I was just telling you why Christian bands sing about Jesus :).
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No, you don't know if Christianity is true. There are Jewish people, there are Muslim people, there are Pagan people, in fact, in any religion there are people just like you. You strongly believe that it is true, but you do not know for sure. You believe that you know for sure, but the fact is, nobody knows.Comment
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Then do you KNOW that you ar on the planet Earth? Do you KNOW that you are human? Do you KNOW that you are reading this? I am as sure about my faith, as these things.
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Originally posted by MajorDamage
Then do you KNOW that you ar on the planet Earth? Do you KNOW that you are human? Do you KNOW that you are reading this? I am as sure about my faith, as these things.
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Just like everyone else in every other religion....Comment
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MagMan: The scary thing is....is that we DO know that it's true. I'm talking about the life of Jesus. His miracles...walking on water, raising people from the dead, healing people, and biggest of all himself rising from the grave. You see, what a lot of people don't know or don't look into, is the fact that many non-believing people kept a history of the events of the time. Josephus is probably one of the most popular. In fact, the bible is the most reliable document in history. Any one can tell you how Socrates died....but do you know that there was only one person to see that....and he wrote the account of it long after the fact. With Christianity, there are well over 24,000 confirming accounts of the life/times of Jesus. So, if you want to tell yourself that a person who claims to be the Way, the Truth, and the Life; and then backs that up by rising from the grave, is a looney, that is your choice. But please, before you write Christianity off as unbelievable, seriously look into it. The book The Case for Christ, is an excellent place for skeptics to start. It was written by a non-believing skeptic. That non-belief didn't last long. :)Originally posted by MagMan5446
No, you don't know if Christianity is true. There are Jewish people, there are Muslim people, there are Pagan people, in fact, in any religion there are people just like you. You strongly believe that it is true, but you do not know for sure. You believe that you know for sure, but the fact is, nobody knows. <---Should be banned for circumventing the cuss filter.Comment
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