BSC and other College football polls

[Collegeboy]

Well this is my annual rant on this thing called college football polls.

I hate them, not only are they bias, but they are absolutly wrong.

For one take my team, Un of Alabama. Lost to the number team in the land on the last play of the game. Lost to the number 4 ranked team in the land by a last minute field goal (lets not forget the two very questionable calls that brought back two touchdowns. Are they even ranked in the USA Today/espn poll, no. Lets see who is, Florida is ranked 23 and has a record of 5 and 3, here is who they lost too. LSU a good team (but no Gerogia), Miami a good team(about equal to Oklahoma), oh and what tops the cake Ole Miss (a team the UA beat 42 to 7 last weekend). Ok I will be back to talk some more hehehe.

How do you all feel about these polls?

[TigerMan]

Hey, Georgia is a good team, and their deserving of their ranking, and we beat you Crimson Tidinens (whatever that is, lol ). I think Alabama isn't ranked because they're on probabtion with the NCAA for their violations or something or another and you don't get to go to a bowl game this year. You guys are good, but your not top 20 material, but you should be ranked at least 25.

[spazzed]

The polls suck. Most of the top 15 is over-rated.

IMO, Georgia is over-rated. Granted, yall are good, but not quite top 5 material. Then again, neither is notre dame, for that matter.

[cris8762]

i'm a ohio state fan, but they aren't gonna do it this year


BUT! i predict that they make it to a National Championship Game within 2 years!!

[Ironmag]

I hate the BCS, it's so full of crap. Just have a damn Playoff system in place to shut everyone up. I am a Texas fan and I'll even admit that Texas is probably overrated, but playoffs is the way to go.

[spazzed]

Couldn't agree with you more. Playoffs are the way to go. Granted, they're a bit impracticle, but with some tweaking and fanagaling, it'll work out.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by TigerMan
Hey, Georgia is a good team, and their deserving of their ranking, and we beat you Crimson Tidinens (whatever that is, lol ). I think Alabama isn't ranked because they're on probabtion with the NCAA for their violations or something or another and you don't get to go to a bowl game this year. You guys are good, but your not top 20 material, but you should be ranked at least 25.

Not top 20 material, sorry while I laugh hehe. I just love how all Georgia fans are like that when talking about Bama. I was at the game, and believe me Georgia didn't impress me one bit. They drove down the field using the same play most of the time. A post pattern to the left wide out. It is hard to defend against that and the run at the same time. If it wasn't for three bad calls Bama would have won by 12 or 14 points. Lets not forget the 2 pt conversion that was but wasn't. The ref called our quarterback down when he landed on top of a Georgia play, he never hit the ground, yet the ref called him down. That would have tied the game without even counting the other 14 points that should of been.

Alabama lost too Georgia by two points with a makeshift punter (our starter was sidelined with a interior ligament tear), a red shirt freshman quarterback, and down one running back, yet only lost by 2 points to a higher ranked team. But like you say we are not a top 20 team.

On a side note. I used to respect Ole Miss Fans until Saturday. Our 5th year quarterback came back and started. He got sacked and aggravated his injury. Yet instead of being silence and respecting a down player, the Ole miss fans clapped and yelled in joy the entire time our player was down. I thought a fight was going to break out. For that, I have lost all respect for most Ole Miss Fans.

[spazzed]

You know how heated these rivalries get. Let it slide, it's no big deal!!

As for Georgia/Bama... I do agree, Georgia is over-rated IMO, BUT if some of those bama coaches had half a brain, they'd learn that you need to defend against this ONE play you speak of!! Much like UT's Defensive Coordinator! (He's not too bad, the Offenseive Coordinator's the one that needs to go!)

You want loud, wait till this weekend. You know how big of a game UT-Bama always is <g> Oh yeah. Gonna be fun!!

You want bad fans, LSU are ALMOST the worst! Last year's LSU game in Knoxville, I was surrounded by a bunch of drunk people, both UT & LSU. Getting to the point, I broke up 3 fights, all of which were started by Different LSU fans. Woopdedoo!

RANT!!! RANDY SANDERS IS A DUMBASS!!! (Offenseive Coordinator for UT) If you've got a guy like Kelley Washington, you FIND A WAY TO GET HIM THE BALL!!!!
RANT OVER!!!

[Collegeboy]

They did start to defend against it, that is why Georgia's late game numbers was lower then earlier numbers. But that is in the past. I just get pissed when Bama or any deserving team gets look over for other less deserving teams. Oh in the Espn poll thing I was looking at teams who have received votes for the top 25, Ole Miss, and S. Miss both received votes and bama didn't. Bama beat both teams soundingly. But I guess it does have to do with the probation thing, which is no reason to exclude from a poll.

Anyways I am looking foward to the Tenn and Bama game this weekend. I think Tenn has beat bama the last 7 times. I just hope this year will be then end of it . Being in front of 110,000 people is going to be amazing for the players. I just wish I could afford the 300 for a set of tickets to go see the game.

As to the rest of the CF world. Do you all think that ND really has the toughest schedule in the land. I mean they bassed it on preseason numbers and as we all know most presason leading teams have fallen to the way side. I think that many sec teams have tougher schedules then ND and even Iowa has a tougher schedule then ND. But that is just another unfortunate side effect of the BCS.

Well I am done with my rant for now will talk more later.

[dre1919]

Well I gotta disagree. I actually like the BCS because it adds some excitement and controversy to college football. Now, let me explain. I'm a huge college football fan (it's my favorite sport) and a huge Notre Dame fan (always have been, always will be. Even the years they are 5-6 and not bowl bound.) The thing I love about college football is how every single game is so vitally important. You can't afford to look past McNeese State when you're a Nebraska or Iowa because if you lose a game like that your're screwed. No where else do you find pressure like this. That's what's great about the BCS...it sets the stage to make every game so important. In the NFL, if you go 8-8 or 9-7 you can still eek into the playoffs. In college, you lose two games it probably costs you a shot at the title. Period.

Now I'll agree the BCS and the polls tend to spit out the same teams over and over again, but big deal. That's because those programs are traditonally good and are always reloading with top caliber talent. Sure, the polls could say "You know, Troy State looks tough this year. Let's go ahead and give them a #5 ranking and see what happens." I'll tell you what happens, they get planted like spring corn. (Sorry Troy Staters, nothing personal...just an example). So if you want to be the man, you've got to beat the man. If San Jose State wants to be ranked #5, call Miami and set up a game. Win that one and about four more like it and they just might be. Unfortuantely, they may not win those so they get what they get...so to speak.

Fresno State is a good example of somebody who isn't ranked very often at all and last year they tore it up, beating good teams and shooting up the polls. They won, played well, and were rewarded for it. Yeah, I know the polls seem to be biased and in a sense they are. They are voted on by human beings. If Florida has been winning enough games to stay in the Top 25 for the past ten years or whatever, a human is going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say "They're a good team..just going through a rough patch." They get a bit of leeway and stay ranked at 5-3. They're decade of dominance bought them that. Now if they lose for two straight seasons it's bye-bye Florida.

Plus, the polls are only a part of the theory for the BCS. As witnessed with Oregon last year, you can be #2 in the polls but that means nothing if you didn't beat anybody good. Sure Nebraska probably shouldn't have been in the title game last year, but at least they went through the war torn landscape that is the Big XII and earned some respect (even if they did get rapped in the teeth by Colorado). The one change they made this year to the BCS was a good move too..eliminating margin of victory from importance. Afterall, wins matter..not whether you shellack a lesser squad by 50. As for Alabama, sorry bro but I don't feel sorry for the Tide at all. How many times have they been caught cheating on recruiting over the past five years? Isn't it like four or five times?

To the comment about the Irish schedule being tough, uh, yeah..it is. Even if a preseason team isn't what they should be during the season (hey, how's it goin' Michigan State!) they always play the Irish hard. Everyone does. Every team the Irish have on their slate plays twice as hard as they do anyone else just so they can say they beat up on Notre Dame. You think Oklahoma State sits back and says "Now that Texas team..we gotta whip those guys! C'mon!" No, because they have a lot of great teams they want to beat for respect. Oklahoma, Nebraska, Colorado, A&M. They have four or five "circle on the calender" games they want to play hard for (although I'm sure OU is they're fav). Especially now that the Irish are 7-0. I mean, FSU is having a bad season by their standards and you think if they manage to win this weekend they won't be saying all season "Well, at least we beat Notre Dame."

Anyway, I just think the system as it is makes each week vitally important wins to stay either unbeaten or with a good record. It's the system that makes me as an Irish fan sit down and watch a game against Pitt and say "I hope we win this one" instead of "Oh yeah, Pitt usually sucks so we should hammer 'em." Because if we don't win, it changes our whole season's outlook somewhat.

GO IRISH!!!!!

[pito189]

Personally I think UT is going to OWN Alabama this weekend....

As long as we play UT football not what we have been playing of late which consists of running it up the middle until it hurts, and then throwing 3 yard outs.....sigh

[spazzed]

I agree w/ you p... but therein lies our problem. Traditional UT football is run the crap out of it to set up the pass (lately, it's been until you get NOTHING, then pass). Ever thought about reversing that? Using the pass to set up the run. Look back the last couple of seasons & see the kind of sucess we've had doing this. The recievers are there, they just aren't being given the Fair opportunity to show what they've got.

dre: You want controversy in CF? Remember Before the BCS? Every year, there was controversy out the wazoo!

[dre1919]

Originally posted by spazzed

dre: You want controversy in CF? Remember Before the BCS? Every year, there was controversy out the wazoo!

Yeah, I remember it. I'm not saying the BCS is perfect, I just like it as a unique quality that college football has. At least this way we get a clear cut champion, even if there still remains debate on whether they are the best or not. That debate will always be present. I just wasn't happy when we would have co-champions or something like that. I thought that sucked. See, and I'm against the playoff scenario because I don't want my beloved college football to become watered down. Like if Nebraska rolls up eight wins and becomes "playoff eligible" then just decides the non-conference games they sometimes play like McNeese State or San Jose State aren't that important and don't play as hard (or rest their starters). So instead of getting a 12-0, (13-0 if you count the Big XII championship) Husker team you get a 9-4 team that gets to the playoffs where once you're there the regular season becomes meaningless.

Here in college football, the regular season IS our playoff...making everything important. Unlike Hockey or Basketball (or even the NFL) you just need to win enough to GET to the playoffs, then start fresh. Just my .02 worth.

[Collegeboy]

We will see this weekend when the Tide pulls into Knoxville. So I am interested, what is the buzz going around the Tenn fans about Tee Martin and the possiblity (high poss.) of a probation.

[TigerMan]

I totally agree with everything you said dre1919. Basically, not couting last year, the BCS has put out the two best teams in the country to compete for the national title. The playoff system has its pros and cons, but the thing that really makes me frown upon it's it doesn't really show whose the best overall, just shows whose the best over a few weeks in a few games. Like take the World Series right now, the two teams in it right now I highly doubt many people picked them to be playing in the World Series. They made it because they turned it on during playoff time, and now their playing for the World Series. In my mind they weren't the two bests teams in baseball (I think the Braves and Yankees were), yet their playing for their championship.