AO: We are back from the dead... again! After an 18 day outage, we are finally alive and well. Who knew how complicated updating software/databases from 2008 would be. I still have alot of tweaks to make, but my main goal was getting everything patched and updated to 2026.
Vbulletin 6 has changed alot since 2008 so we will have a ton of new features to dig into.
The Saturn cars depending on size and trans are rated up to 50 mpg. The body panels are made from plastic, (They are what the Pontiac Fiero experiment was about). They are'nt great on power, but are reliable and inexpensive. If I hadn't picked up a van, I was going to pick up a Saturn wagon for driving and hauling my paintball gear.
I...am... not.. a GM fan, but the Saturn is a great car.
Blah blah blah, I'll throw in my two cents even if I doubt Riotz cares very much.
I have a 1995 Saturn Sl2, and it gets pretty good gas mileage, and is very reliable. I beat the hell out of my car, and except for a shot suspension due to my driving, it has held up great. About the only maintenance I do to it is give it an oil change with Mobil1 every 7500 miles.
I get about 26 mpg city, and between 30 and 40 highway. This past weekend, on my trip to Virginia, after a fresh oilchange, I was getting in the neighborhood of 40 if not more MPG on the highway.
A few of my friends have the Saturn Sl1, and it is underpowered. It's not as bad as some economy cars, but I think it has a 87 hp engine. The Sl2, which I have, has a 124 hp engine. It's not a beast, but it's enough pickup that you aren't screaming at your car when you are trying to come out of a toll booth.
0-60 is about 9-10 seconds, top speed is around 110, at least that's as fast as mine will go.
The plastic panels and bumper are great. First off, as a few AOer's know, I have a tendency to kick my car when it annoys me. With metal panels, I'd have broken toes and dented panels. With my car, I can kick all I want with no problems.
The real benefit, though, is that any small "bump" accidents leave no damage, and you don't damage other cars. Twice since I've had the car I've hit someone else's bumper. One of those times I skidded in the rain, and the other time it was also raining, and someone hit me from behind and knocked me into the car in front of me. Neither was a hard collision or anything, but with a metal bumper there would have been damage. Due to the flexibility of my bumper, however, there was no damage to either car.
The ONLY thing that has broken on my car was I managed to crack an engine mount. My mechanic told me its a relatively common problem with Saturns. I think it cost between $100 and $200 to fix, parts and labor.
Mine is up to 100,000 miles currently, and besides the shot suspension still works fine. I'd reccomend them to people looking for a car, if this one does die there's a good chance I'd pick up another one.
Yes...well if you want to hear what I recomend its not going to be a GM. Although I got nothing against em but when it comes to small cars they are still playing catch up. I would recomend a Nissan Altima made in the good old USA or even a Honda Accord made in the good old USA or even a Toyota Corolla made in the good old USA! They all are you know?
all these will get in the high 30's or better and commonly go 200,000 to 250,000 miles on an engine and if you think you can fix ANYTHING on a car yourself these days you nutz! You can but you better know the new stuff and have a good diagnostic tool as well. Things will go out in time on anything. But it will not be the engine or tranny most likely on these. I would take the Nissan over the others for one simple reason. Price. The other two think a bit more of their stuff than I think. Nissan is cheap. I would not hesitate to pick up a Nissan with higher milage on it. If the price it right.
No I am not a jap car nut. I just know they are pretty darn good. When it comes to bigger vehicles I take several other slants as you know. Although I will include a few of their name brands on my list there will not be as many of them as my short list of economy and small mid size cars will have on them.
AGD, where we are so good we can do it with only ONE tube!
Well bofh was right before. I am going to get a good deal on GM car through family "loyalty". So as much as those other cars sound, I just can't do it. Thanks though.
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