Is this legal? (school announcement)

**oldsoldier** · 12-07-2002, 03:05 PM

Actually, yes it is legal. As the principal, the students are his number one priority. And school sports are voluntary, and funded (for the most part) by the school. So, he can, for almost any reason, limit who does and doesnt participate.

**cphilip** · 12-07-2002, 03:20 PM

Participation in after school activities are privaledges not "Rights". Just like Driving is. They can be revoked for whatever reason. And I commend your Principal for using them to cut down on Teenage deaths. I hope he sticks too it. Yes he can do it and there is nothing you can do about it but to obey that and not drink or do Drugs. Period.

Not only is he denying you this but its already illegal. I should hope he would extend this to any illegal activity too. Theft, Vandalism, Sexual Assault, Harasment both sexual and racial & etc.

Why should you be Mad? You said it doesn't affect you since you obey the law. Why should your friends who break the law be mad? They should not break the law. Simple as that. If they do then they lose a lot more than they did before. I got no sympathy for them if they do. Serves em right!

**spazzed** · 12-07-2002, 03:21 PM

He does have the right to limit who does & doesn't participate... However, he can't do a bloody thing unless the said drinking/drugs is done at a school related activity.

**oldsoldier** · 12-07-2002, 03:25 PM

Not true spazzed. I have seen people cut from hockey because of troublke outside of school (shoplifting). No charges were ever even brought on the kid, but, he was cut becuase it reflected badly on the team, and the school. Not to mention, it was just plain wrong.

**Sinnet** · 12-07-2002, 03:35 PM

cphillip, I think you missed part of it.

I, or anyone else who isnt drinking will be cut from sports/activities if I am anywhere where people are drinking.

I think a big thing that the principal doesn't realize is that when kids go to parties, usually there's at least one designated driver for every 4-5 kids

this new rule isn't going to make the drinkers stop drinking, but it will make the designated drivers not want to drive the drinking kids, because they would suffer the same punishment as them.

result: more drunks on the road

**cphilip** · 12-07-2002, 03:52 PM

drinkers and that will be somehow affected and therefore more dangerous is hardly going to win anyone over. In fact its definate proof that it's already out of hand if you have had to devise a entire plan for it. Those of you who are not drinking but acting as designated drivers are aiding them in the argument that they can drink! And most likly is why the Principal wants to break that relationship. Your assisting people in breaking the law.

Its a whole different thing if you are the designated driver for people old enough to drink. In that case your helping them obey the law. In your case your assisting them in breaking the law.

If they are going to drink and are underage they should stay put. If they cannot do that they shouldn't drink. Sometimes you have to just obey the laws. If you think kids should be able to drink at a younger age, then work to change the laws. But breaking them ends up giving your opponents more fuel to prove your wrong.

**Collegeboy** · 12-07-2002, 03:54 PM

Ok he is technically in the law, for both are illegal activities. I don't agree with it, but I do think it is within the rules.

**RetroEclipseMan** · 12-07-2002, 04:05 PM

I know it is where i live. In Enumclaw last year after prom a party was broken up by the cops and all the kids attending were reported to the school and Enumclaw High lost almost their whole girls basketball team because of it and it was bad since that team was one of the top ones in the state.

**lopxtc** · 12-07-2002, 04:07 PM

My whole problem with his rational in this quote is this ... You are HS students!! Outside of Montreal which has a drinking age of 18-19, you cannot drink till you are 21.

If you are able to legally drink while in HS then I think you have bigger issues to worry about other then sports.

This is in a basic sense what the military does in Boot Camp (basic for you non-Marines), if one screws up punish the whole. You are only as strong as your weakest link, and if you continue to get into trouble because of someone else one of two things will happen;

1) You will avoid the trouble maker ...

or

2) You will get the screw-head to behave according to how you are supposed to behave at your age.

Aaron

Originally posted by Sinnet
cphillip, I think you missed part of it.

I, or anyone else who isnt drinking will be cut from sports/activities if I am anywhere where people are drinking.

I think a big thing that the principal doesn't realize is that when kids go to parties, usually there's at least one designated driver for every 4-5 kids

this new rule isn't going to make the drinkers stop drinking, but it will make the designated drivers not want to drive the drinking kids, because they would suffer the same punishment as them.

result: more drunks on the road

**cphilip** · 12-07-2002, 04:09 PM

Well I do not think is should be done without some reasoned approach to each situation of the "non drinker/druggy" in the incident. I trust that he will show some judgement. However I think I see what he is doing. He is putting you all on "fair Notice" that he can do this. So now he feels he can follow through if he thinks you non drinkers/drug takers were not so innocent in the situation. I think fair notice is all he was intending to do. Because its evident from your reaction you did not realize he could. He is doing everything in his power to discourage Drug abuse amongst young people. And he knows if you are there you may be tempted or may be hurt. I think it may or may not work. He knows that to. But what else can he do? If it only makes one person not do it or one person not be in the wrong place at the wrong time he figures its worth it. He may be right!

**Sinnet** · 12-07-2002, 04:10 PM

I guess i'm just going to have to agree to disagree with you here cphillip-

I don't see kids acting as designated drivers as "aiding them in breaking the law" as much as it's looking out for their and others' safety by keeping them off the road. Yes, it's dumb that drunk kids would drive at all, but they're going to try to get home somehow.

Also, what about the kid who goes to the party, doesnt drive anyone but themself, and doesnt drink or do any drugs? Just there to hang out with some friends, and this kid gets kicked off his team.

Sure, you can say maybe he shouldn't be associating with these people, but in a school where the majority of the older students drink, that's not a very realistic option.

**shartley** · 12-07-2002, 04:14 PM

**Sinnet** · 12-07-2002, 04:28 PM

shartley, what about when someone is about to drive home and there's 2 drunk kids that need rides? is that assisting a crime? They've already had their beer/whatever...

And its not about parties serving alcohol, its where kids are hanging out somewhere and someone brings some alcohol. Can you really expect everyone to leave on the spot?

Another issue i can see is what happens when someone's sibling has a party where there is alcohol- they would be punished under this, for just staying in their house.

**shartley** · 12-07-2002, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by Sinnet
shartley, what about when someone is about to drive home and there's 2 drunk kids that need rides? is that assisting a crime? They've already had their beer/whatever...

If you are not at that party and the drinking was already done (say if you saw them walking down the street), no, it would not be assisting in a crime.

Originally posted by Sinnet
And its not about parties serving alcohol, its where kids are hanging out somewhere and someone brings some alcohol. Can you really expect everyone to leave on the spot?

Yes. Or have those who brought the alcohol leave.

Originally posted by Sinnet
Another issue i can see is what happens when someone's sibling has a party where there is alcohol- they would be punished under this, for just staying in their house.

Is this legal? (school announcement)

Is this legal? (school announcement)

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