MX6 Tries to race Viper

[shartley]

Originally posted by giblit
i just saw some movies of a civic beating a viper and i mean just SMOKED it. killed it. viper didnt even have a chance. i also have a movie of a neon beating a viper by over 3 secons. dont tell me imports are ****ty cars when they can almost beat anything you throw at them.

[GreasyPigeon]

he is right

shartley is right you guys. it will all ways be a import... nothing more nothing less. and one thing i don't understand is why people will sink tons of money in to a import and yet they can get an old fasion muscle car like a chevelle SS for about the same price as a "tircked out ricer" and yet the old muscle will kick the ricers butt.. i have seen it bofore. the price of a tricked out ricer can equal up to $2000 and a 454 chevelle SS is about 25000. you are paying 5,000 more then a ricer but you all so get more horse power and might i add better looking. and all the ricer deal is cause of fast and the ferious.

[Gotenks]

you talk like honda's, imports(even though 85% manufactured in the u.s.) are useless waste of time.

We all like different things, and you can make a honda fast.

http://www.vwsport.com/file/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=689

Thats a video of a honda crx versus a volkswagon. The honda is on the left. Runs a 9.959 in the quarter mile in that video. car cost $15,000 to build, including the car. runs it with no wheelie bar too, which means he did a great job tuning the suspension. It's his daily driver on the street too.

I'm sure that viper isn't running 9's stock, and isn't $15,000. It will definitely, however, out do it in the twisties.

giblit... It either takes a lot of money, or a lot of knowledge to build an import fast, you are not going to get a civic off the showroom floor and be like "Let's go race some vettes, I'm sure I have a chance" And the civic in that viper video was either heavily modded, or some newbie driver was driving the viper.

I'm selling my integra to get a civic, only because the civic is lighter. My goal is 13's on street tires (need even more money to buy some wider wheels and falken azenis aaaahh!!! )

[WhyIsItUpsideDown?]

Ok, lets think now....
Dodge Viper costs: starts at $87,000 straight from Dodge's site. Now for the same price you can have about 2 or 3 highly modded ricers that can smoke the viper. Is that a bad thing? No. You got a car that will perform just the same or better, for half the price. Buying a viper is buying a name, a very expensive name or the look. Not everyone can afford a viper but they can buy a ricer or any other car they like and make it run better than a viper if they have the money for half the cost.

So what if its not stock out of the showroom? I sure dont, a whole bunch of people dont either. I guess people who dont like fiddling with their cars or enhancing their performance do.

Also who designed the cobra? I think I read somewhere that he said the imports were ahead of american cars now if that means much.

But to switch sides for a second go to http://maddox.xmission.com/hatemail.cgi#CAR and then http://maddox.xmission.com/civic.html

[shartley]

Originally posted by WhyIsItUpsideDown?
Ok, lets think now....
Dodge Viper costs: starts at $87,000 straight from Dodge's site. Now for the same price you can have about 2 or 3 highly modded ricers that can smoke the viper. Is that a bad thing? No. You got a car that will perform just the same or better, for half the price. Buying a viper is buying a name, a very expensive name or the look. Not everyone can afford a viper but they can buy a ricer or any other car they like and make it run better than a viper if they have the money for half the cost.

So what if its not stock out of the showroom? I sure dont, a whole bunch of people dont either. I guess people who dont like fiddling with their cars or enhancing their performance do.

Also who designed the cobra? I think I read somewhere that he said the imports were ahead of american cars now if that means much.

But to switch sides for a second go to http://maddox.xmission.com/hatemail.cgi#CAR and then http://maddox.xmission.com/civic.html

[rhetor22]

Gotenks-

Isn't the CRX front wheel drive? Why would he need a wheelie bar? I agree with Shartley. I don't give a flying rats arse about the 10 second civic.

If you take an inline 4 cylinder engine, and make 500hp+, the engine isn't going to last more than 10k miles. It isn't hard to get numbers if you have the cash. Now most people don't understand that the same principle works for already freaky fast cars, particularly american muscle cars. When they design the engine, they go with the simple way to get power. Displacement. They don't do nearly as much tuning as a smaller block with equal hp and torque numbers. (i said numbers, not power curve.) More displacement = more power potential. I'd like to see you argue that.

Hondas are not worthless. The Accord is a very nice, and decently priced sedan. The 6 has pretty good pick up for a 4 door too. The civic can go three times further than my truck on the same gallon of gas. It might even last as long too. (but not when we're both loadin the bed with sand, hehe) The civic is a compact car. It isn't a fire breathing drag car.


WhyIsItUpsideDown-

You must be crazy. Performance isn't just quarter mile time. Handling and braking. How about QUALITY? Can anyone Honestly say that the Honda Civic has more quality parts than a viper?


Now lets think of most of the people with the ghetto-blaster imports. We can tell right off the bat by looking at their quad deck spoilers and funky rocker panels that they don't know jack about aerodynamics. The 21" rims that probably each weigh more than all four of the stock ones put together, and the cone filters sucking in hot engine air are not adding speed.

Most people who own ghetto blasters are not technically savvy enough to be able to pull a lot of power from the car.

Anyone who makes over 300hp from an engine less than 200ci either has way too much money, or is damn good with engines.

Wow. I've gone over the compact import car vs. american muscle sports car battle way too many times.

Please don't say a Hyundai is faster than a Viper just because you saw one that beat the viper, then blew up shortly after.

And to top it off, i don't care how fast you're going, cuz once you stop, i can still park my truck on top of you.

[WhyIsItUpsideDown?]

I don't know where you have been but yeah again suped up cars are quality. You can have the crappy little Civic or Eclipse or RX7 have great handling, shifting, braking, etc. Quality is in after market parts, why? Because most aftermarket parts are better built then stock. So in the end, again, with half the price, you get better quality, that is just as fast. You are basing everything off of stock imports. Why not look into some that arent?

And talking about quality and since you have no regard for money, any sports car from Europe will beat the pants off any Viper(Porsche, Audi, NOT YUGO), but were not talking Europe we are talking Japan. In comes the EVOs, built like rocks, used for rallys over and over again more abuse you can put into a car in 10 years easy in a race, you want quality you have it. Supras: engines are built like rocks and they are the best quality too. A bunch of other cars. You can make your import just as good as these cars.

Most 10 sec ricers if you have ever driven one, dont just focus on the engine, they focus on everything. And they dont blow up ten seconds later. I think my friend has had his suped up integra for 3 years now, pretty fast, and it hasnt had one problem. Not saying it will beat a Viper but yeah adding parts on an engine and changing some things doesnt mean it will blow up mysterioulsy.

And ricers after all the suping again just dont focus on their engine, everything. Interior before, boring. But after looking at the interior of totally suped up car are nice, great system, great trim, seats, floor, yeah they are really good inside even some playstation 2s bla bla bla. Price again half after suping.


Eh im tired of the issue im out.

[shartley]

Originally posted by WhyIsItUpsideDown?
I don't know where you have been but yeah again suped up cars are quality. You can have the crappy little Civic or Eclipse or RX7 have great handling, shifting, braking, etc. Quality is in after market parts, why? Because most aftermarket parts are better built then stock. So in the end, again, with half the price, you get better quality, that is just as fast. You are basing everything off of stock imports. Why not look into some that arent?

Originally posted by WhyIsItUpsideDown?
And talking about quality and since you have no regard for money, any sports car from Europe will beat the pants off any Viper(Porsche, Audi, NOT YUGO), but were not talking Europe we are talking Japan. In comes the EVOs, built like rocks, used for rallys over and over again more abuse you can put into a car in 10 years easy in a race, you want quality you have it. Supras: engines are built like rocks and they are the best quality too. A bunch of other cars. You can make your import just as good as these cars.

Originally posted by WhyIsItUpsideDown?
Most 10 sec ricers if you have ever driven one, dont just focus on the engine, they focus on everything. And they dont blow up ten seconds later. I think my friend has had his suped up integra for 3 years now, pretty fast, and it hasnt had one problem. Not saying it will beat a Viper but yeah adding parts on an engine and changing some things doesnt mean it will blow up mysterioulsy.

And ricers after all the suping again just dont focus on their engine, everything. Interior before, boring. But after looking at the interior of totally suped up car are nice, great system, great trim, seats, floor, yeah they are really good inside even some playstation 2s bla bla bla. Price again half after suping.


Eh im tired of the issue im out.

[Gotenks]

rhetor.....

have you actually seen a pretty powerful honda without any suspension mods?

Well I am not a very intelligent talker but I'll try my best to explain it.

The front end sticks up pretty high under heavy acceleration, thus hurting traction. It's exactly why you get sucked into your seat. the car/chassis is being pulled back by the something, while the front wheels are pulling, and without the weight on the front wheels, you get nothing but tire spin.

if you watch in pro import drag racing, all of the honda's use wheelie bars

[Orange Crush]

Hahaha....man you guys aint seen nothing. How about a mid 12 second minivan that will run with a Z06?

http://www.turbovan.net/van.html

How would you like to roll up next to that in your $50,000 sports car and get smoked....hahaha. Classic.

[Gotenks]

Originally posted by shartley

As a matter of fact.... most japanese super car engines(2JZ,rb26dett,c32a,13/20bcosmo,a few others) were infact designed for around 500 horsepower STOCK.

Why do they only make 280 hp? Gentlemen's agreement. From the factory, they were pretty much de-tuned 500 horsepower beasts.

They will run that 8000 rpm redline and 500 horsepower reliably. But since they were only built for 280 horsepower at the max, they have parts to support that 280 horsepower, and that's why people have to use "aftermarket parts" to get the originally intended horsepower.


-whyisitupsidedown

I have found that most aftermarket parts are total crap, and usually don't perform better than stock. If people would actually put down the $60-$100 for dyno runs, they would realize some parts hurt performance. conical filter upgrades that aren't cold air, usually suck in lots of heated air. the stock airbox is designed to not do that, and even if you do have a higher flow filter you are getting horrible intake temps.

I would say that.... 90% of the "super humoungous cool cool fast and furious" aftermarket is total BLEEP. yes, BLEEP.

Sorry I got banned last time for using asterisk

[rhetor22]

Oh i see what you are talking about.

Its sort of a mix up in terms. A wheelie bar's original intent is to keep the car's front wheels on the ground, that way the driving force will push the car forward, and not rotate on the rear axle. In the good old days of drag racing, usually the guy to do the biggest wheel stand, was the one who came across the finish line last.

On these front wheel drive cars, the bar is probably already on the ground, its just there to keep the weight from shifting to the back tires too much.

Sorry i can't help myself from saying this but- if they need to put the wheelie bar there to keep the weight from shifting backwards, therefore away from the driving wheels, then why not make the driving wheels in the back

I agree with Gotenks on the aftermarket parts. In my experiences, Alluminum just plain sucks for automotive use. If i have a choice of cast iron or forged steel or alluminum, i'd much rather have the heavier one.

Also, whyisitupsidedown, by saying you're looking at the quality of the aftermarket parts, are you saying the stock ones are not high quality? A viper, a vette, a mustang (well most anyhow) are built from the ground up to be sports cars.

Performance doesn't just come from modification. You can swap and adjust your suspension rate and ride height all you want. When your car is designed to be a compact or an economy model, you need to get a new frame. Once you get the new frame, its not the same car anymore.

I completely agree that there are civics, hyundais, subarus, etc. that can whip a viper in the 1/4 mile. I will never agree that any type of those cars, if its still that car, will completely out perform a viper.


If you want the end all- take all that crap that the Civic needs to beat the viper, then put it in the viper.

Please don't take any of this personally. I'm not trying to put you down, unless you're a civic i guess... or something... i'm lost.