War

[Will Wood]

What you think? Simple poll..War is almost inevitable at this point.. but think it will go to the point of a draft?

[Thordic]

I don't think we'll need to see a draft in the foreseeable future.

That being said, anyone who votes three should just leave the country now, since they obviously don't want to live here anyway.

[pbzmag]

The draft won't happen. There are so many people who enlists in the reserves every day that there is no need of the draft. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that over 50% of our military personnel is in the reserves. But if a draft was to be issued, I will not hesitate to join.

pbzmag

[Archangel Damien]

i`d rather see somebody on our side act istead of having to react

[edweird]

I certainly hope not..........

I already have problems with these new kids that "want to be here" getting entangled into drugs, drunkdriving, getting into unrecoverable debt. These ppl render themselves useless when the mission needs em most. Its bad enough that I have underage kids showing up to work still drunk and useless to me. Then im forced to waste more of my time handing out "Counceling" and forwarding this to superiors for further action. Hell after all when I go to work all I want to do is load some bombs, make my pay and go home.


Now It is my opinion that opening the draft again would completley mangle the military as it is now. Back when the draft was activated before, drug use and other activities became commonplace in the military due to the high amount of people that really could not give a rats *** about there country, job, and the saftey of their co-workers.

Although the only good thing that I could see this bringing back is a diversion away from the programs and recognition and refocusing it on mission and morale. Screwup kids would get there arses beat again (ie "Wall to Wall Counceling"), something I wish remained from the "Good Ole Days".


In my opinion the draft is an outdated concept that was only viable back in the 40's to 50's when kids used to fear and respect there elders. In todays society I feel that it would fail in far more ways that I can mention

Yes the draft would solve personel shortage problems, but would you really want someone that lacks general concern working next to you and covering your back?

[oldsoldier]

A conscript army is a poorly trained one. Period. People who dont want to be there, are worse than not having someone there at all. I personally want someone next to me whom I can depend upon. And, unfortunately, some of the kids coming in today arent the best either. Now, this isnt to say all of them, however, in the past year, I have had major problems with two soldiers...now, I tried the nice way...didnt work. So, I did it the ole fashioned NCO way...and, lo and behold, it DID work. Understand this folks, do not sign up for the military, then, when it comes time to do your job in a real world situation, say "I only joined for college". You raise your hand to take an OATH; and, those of us who see themselves as professionals, expect you to uphold that oath. You dont have a choice in it. If you puss out, be sure an NCO will be there to kick your ***. War isnt a game; it isnt fun, and it isnt clean. Understand that BEFORE you decide on a career. Cuz, if you go chicken, be sure one of my Brothers will be there to "correct" you.

[Vendetta]

I think there should be mandatory service for everyone, but not just as soldiers. There are many things we can put 18 year-olds to do in this country other than fight. The ones that pass a "boot camp" with the apptitude for soldiering should do it, but the rest can be put into some type of domestic "peace corps". Most of these kids can use a little PT anyway

[FutureMagOwner]

i hope not im personally enlisting when the time comes and i definantly dont want people like the ones in school next to me when it comes down to life or death.

[Remington]

Originally posted by Vendetta
I think there should be mandatory service for everyone, but not just as soldiers. There are many things we can put 18 year-olds to do in this country other than fight. The ones that pass a "boot camp" with the apptitude for soldiering should do it, but the rest can be put into some type of domestic "peace corps". Most of these kids can use a little PT anyway

I couldn't agree more. Look at Israel: Mandatory service for all citizens upon turning the age of 18. The IDF(Israeli Defense Force) and SF(Special Forces) is the best trained military service in the world(in my opinion, although the US is a VERY close second). Of course the only difference between the IDF/SF and the US is that Israel is fighting everyday in urban combat; not that US soldiers aren't fighting everyday but Israeli troops do it 7 days a week, 365 days a year in there own homeland.

Don't flame me on this, it's my opinion and you don't have to agree with any of it but I think that if you look at the IDF website you'll at least understand where I'm coming from.

I truly don't believe Bush fully grasps what he is getting US troops into. First, he asks Iraq to permit surveillance flights by U2 spyplanes. Iraq agrees, and Bush declares Iraq is simply stalling for time. What I think is going to happen(again this is just my opinion) if Bush ever does order troops into Iraq is that all hell will come down on them, literally. Saddam will use his SCUD missles and fill them with both chemical and biological agents. At this point he doesn't care about the consequences of using these weapons because he knows that the US is there simply to kill him, or overthrow him. With major allies such as France and Russia no longer supporting our activities in Iraq, I think the US will be left out in the cold by the time this is all over.

If war does eventually break out, I pray for the safety and well being of our troops in the Middle East and abroad as well as the safety of all American citizens worldwide; these are truly trying times.

[SpongeBobSquarePants]

I don't know what is going to happen but i would really like to see this not happen at all. I have to much to live for and I'm a loser. Like said earlyer it would be better if we acted rather then reacted.

Also for any of the older member who where around cold war vietnam time- What was it like then? Was it scary as hell?

[Kevmaster]

Heres my .02

The US military is very large and strong right now. We have no need for a draft. There are still hundreds of thousands of soldiers still in America right now and even more reservists/national guards. However, if that time does come for the US to have to enact a draft, you wouldnt need to draft me. If the US is that desperate for men, Id gladly join our Armed Forces and protect my country. If I thought that joining the miltary right now (well, 10 days when im 18) would improve our chances against Iraq and I could do more good for my country fighting terror than home studying in America, I would go down to the local recruiters today. However, right now, I dont think they need me fighting more than they need me studying

[Kevmaster]

how bout you go now....no, seriously

[darklord]

If the draft is enlisted I will simply refuse to go. I love my country, but I think that with all the firepower we have, more troops wouldn't help. If the poo hits the fan, I'm definitely going to Canada.

edit: oh and BTW...

Originally posted by Webmaster

[Jack_Dubious]

hehe...this thread is gonna get good....


JDub

[oldsoldier]

In response to a chemical attack; the US is more prepared than ANY OTHER COUNTRY to operate in a contaminated environment. Gassing us, in effect, kills his own troops faster. The chemical gear an infantryman carries with him allows him to survive and fight in a contaminated environmentfor up to 30 days. Your standard Iraq issued gas mask allows six hours...that really doesnt give you enough time to get out and decontaminate, never mind continue fighting. Besides, they use chemical weapons, we will hit them HARD. Any type of WMD used on the US, its military forces, or its allies, allows us to use whatever means necessary to ensure it NEVER happens again. Yes folks, that gives us the right to nuke Iraq. Will we? I honestly doubt it. It doesnt solve anything that conventional munitions cant accomplish. The use of chemical weapons by Iraq is tantamount to suicide. He knows this; he has been warned numerous times, but the US, UN, and his own regime, that chemical weapons will ensure complete annhilation of the regime, with no hope of any further truce/peace concessions.
As far as the draft is concerned; if your country asks for your help, and you refuse it, I guess it isnt really your country then. So leave.