Quick questions for those against war..

[Restola]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Do I have the right to say that Iraq should change for it goes against my beliefs, no.

So its wrong, but heck, its way over there, their dictator doesn't have a problem with it, why should we be concerned?

Why should we be concerned over anything that happens? Its just a couple hundred kurds, just a couple million jews, just a couple thousand Americans.

We dont have the right to say someone else should change.

[SampsonFBC]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


Do I think the rapping of women is wrong yes.
Do I have the right to say that Iraq should change for it goes against my beliefs, no.

You need to articulate your thoughts better.

You said that rapping women is bad, but we shouldn't do anything because their gov. says it's ok. The Nazi's said killing jews was ok so we shouldn't have fought WW2?

[Restola]

Apparently he thinks America doesn't have the "right" to make other people change, no matter what.

[Collegeboy]

What did these woman do to get the punishment of rape (IF IT IS TRUE THEY GET THIS DONE) I have read reports and the UN gives Iraq number one country in the whole middle east on woman rights.

The woman must have broken some kind of law that Iraq feels this is the punishment. Arab countries have harsh punishments for everything. It is THEIR law code.

The US law code says we will kill a person who has killed another.

That is just has bad IMO.

Now if Saddam was going around rapping any woman he comes across, I would step in. If he was killing people, I would step in. etc......

But administering a written punishment for a documented break in law, no matter how harsh or sick it might be, really don't have any power to do anything about.

I disagree with the rapping of woman for anything; I think it is cruel and harsh. But I can't say or do anything about it, for it is a law.

The killing of the Jews by Hitler wasn't a law it was something that wasn't known until after the war, did the Jews break any laws, no. They were rounded up and sent to gas chambers.

Now the Kurds, some did break laws, but I have no idea about the others.

Funny this stuff is being now released by the gov. Trying to drum up support for the Iraqi war. Smells of past propaganda used to get the US into many conflicts and war.

[Smoke]

Well...

[Koosh]

I can understand Collegeboys point, but I think its a little misguided...

500 years ago it was the custom of the culture in South America to have Human Sacrifices to their Gods, of adults, babies, and children... By today's standards its a barbaric tradition, but back then it was every day life.

Now in Iraq its "legal" for the paid rapists to do unimaginable things to women. It isn't part of their culture, like collegeboy thinks, its part of a sicko madmans plot to keep his country controlled... Yes, the same sicko madman we funded in the 80's. Not every law is just, name me some more arab countries with the same "culture" as Iraq and allows for those things to happen to women. please... I need to know who to hate next...

As for the War in Iraq, I'm with Miscue and Shartley. I can't make an educated opinion because I KNOW I'm not getting all the facts. But I also know that no *****ing on an internet message board will change the fact that we are going to war. I would like to see a peaceful solution to this, but I believe that it won't happen...

[Restola]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Funny this stuff is being now released by the gov. Trying to drum up support for the Iraqi war. Smells of past propaganda used to get the US into many conflicts and war.

Actually it was release by the British government, and it was some time ago (possibly even before 9/11, definatly months to years ago, but I dont have the date right now).

And why would justifying a war be negative? So many people are saying "we want proof", "theres no proof", so the government starts releasing information, or bringing the spotlight back on previously released information.

Whats the problem?

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by shartley

I agree with you that we probably are going to war with Iraq. I disagree with you that this country is not run (to some extent) by popular opinion. Unpopular actions tend not to get one reelected so popular opinion has a indirect but strong role. Is popular opinion extremely fickle? Yes.

Backing ones team can mean alot of things. Since we are a conglomeration of humans with divergent opinions our team has multiple goals. Also please don't tell me that you believe we can solve the ailments of humanity by getting involved in one war after another saying "NEXT!" to each one. That is a comforting but flawed way of looking at things.

I will concede on one point. Some of the fear is going out of Iraq due to the resistance to military action. They have started to be less cooperative (this according to weapon inspectors). The official policy of keeping the pressure on may not be bad (as I have stated before) as it may ultimately avoid military action. See I am willing to see both sides of an issue.

[i]Originally posted by Restola]
So you think that since the only thing CNN is covering is the comming war, that the justice department, congress, and every person working for the government will redirect 100% of their attention to the war?

Even if you cant keep track of it all, 2 million people work for the government. I'm sure we can keep working on our problems while continuing to protect our intrests abroad.

I will heartily admit that I cannot keep track of 2 million people. I can't even keep track of my own car keys!
Of course I do not believe the Justice Department will stop but resources are not infinite. Many of our states are facing budget shortfalls.

The other question is why isn't one of our main interests becoming less dependent on oil? Bush's tax plan encourages SUV purchase which are huge gas guzzlers. It seems to me the less dependent we are on foriegn oil the more free we are as a nation to make decisions for the reasons we choose.

It will be interesting to see what happens to those oil interests when a new US backed regime is set up. Will France and Russia still get first crack at the oil? We'll see.

[Restola]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
Bush's tax plan encourages SUV purchase...

Thats news to me. Could you elaborate?

[Collegeboy]

I am not saying it is part of their culture to rap woman. All I am saying is it is punishment for a crime (I do believe, for I have yet to here anything about it). Do I think it is a justifiable punishment? No. Would I support it if the US did this, no. But this is another country, another culture. I can't judge another persons actions or whatever based on my morals.

Who gotowned automagfreek, you.

[Smoke]

Originally posted by Collegeboy

Who gotowned automagfreek, you.

Hey, knock it off. I just posted that pic for a few laughs, so back the hell on up. Jesus Christ, so much for trying to have a little fun.

[Restola]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Who gotowned automagfreek, you.

lol what are you even talking about? He posted a picture. He never stated he didn't agree with you, or who the picture was about.

If you are so confident in your beliefs that government sanctioned raping of women is fine, then why lash out at everyone?

[Smoke]

Originally posted by Restola

lol what are you even talking about? He posted a picture. He never stated he didn't agree with you, or who the picture was about.

If you are so confident in your beliefs that government sanctioned raping of women is fine, then why lash out at everyone?

Because he's a complete jerk (one of the lesser words that comes to mind). I mean, my god, I didn't even say anything. Ya know what, I'm staying out of these arguments all together. He's pissing me off so bad with his blatent ignorance, I'm about 2 seconds away from flaming him, but I won't stoop to that level. BTW collegeboy, don't reply to this post, even though I may have dissed you. I'm done with this crap, I'm blue in the face, I can't argue anymore...

[Restola]

Nah don't get mad. Exposing a liberal-whacko's true beliefs is always fun. When you make a liberal think through what they say, how they dig themselves out of their hole is always classic (since they are never wrong).

He supports legal rape of women. Lets have a few laughs and think about how dangerous anti-american liberal appeasment policies can be.

[Jack_Dubious]

Originally posted by Restola
Um...I think I read it just fine.

The point is that if you give a tax cut, people who pay MORE taxes will get MORE of a tax cut.

Thats pretty basic stuff to any non-liberal.

OIC, my mistake.....i read your statement diferently than you wrote it. Sounded like you thought Slarty was claiming that we tax $50k families $90k..


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