Stealing(off kazaa)

[RetroEclipseMan]

The record companies are idiots. 1st of all it IS NOT illegal to share music. They spend about $.10 to make a CD and sell it for $20, a percentage of that goes to the artist and they get the rest. Now they think they are going out of buisness. I've bought over $200 worth of CDs to contribute to the record companies and now seeign them complain because their earnings aren't as high anymore makes me SICK. Their prices were too high in the first place, what were they thinking? For $20 I can buy a DVD or VHS for god sake, why would I buy one of their discs that I'll probably listen to for 10 minutes and just toss it into the collection? I have kazza, high speed internet, and a good quality burner. Do I burn CDs? NO, I've made one lousy disc from having downloaded shared files for 3 years. What are they scared of? If they all go out of buisness(which they obviously will not though they claim) then I'll be happy. New companies with more sense and less corruption will come forth. Then they will finally realize that people will not pay as much for a CD for as much they can buy a DVD for. They sell both so why don't they figure it out? BECAUSE THEY ARE DIRTY GREEDY MONEY SUCKERS

I agree that a lot of CD's are way over priced and that I can't afford to dish out $15-$20 for a cd that I don't even know if I like. I used audio galaxy for quite a while until it got shut down. Considering I don't have a cd burner none of the stuff I've downloaded has ever been sold or anything. I find it usefull though to check out new bands and see if it's worth going to see them live or actually buy their cd. I figure for the music I download I make up for it in buying cd's, going to shows and buying band merchandise.

The part I don't agree with you about is the fact that you say it only costs 10 cents to make a cd. Maybe for the disk itself but what about studio time, mixing time, the money it costs to do cover art,advertising, ect.? It all costs major money. I think the big argument is not what these file sharing programs do to the big pop stares but to the smaller bands out there. They put so much time, money and effort into putting out an album and then no one buys it when they can just download it, that's where the problem is.

[giblit]

ok just think if you were the artist writing, recording and making the music, and you put it out for poeple to buy not just to download. i usually buy the cds because they spent the time to make it. they acually make a lot less money then people think, if i put out a cd i wouldnt want poeple to download it for free when i could be geting like 2 dollars cd. i understand why the artists are mad but i also agree that cd prices are way to high.

[Restola]

Originally posted by MicrOMag

Don't let the superbands and such fool you, they're a very small percent. Its just like the rich and powerful in normal american society, that 1-3% of people may hold 50% of all money available but it doesn't mean everyone else is rich.

Dont the most popular bands lose the most if a large portion of society stopped buying CDs (since statisticly more of their fans will be involved)?

The hardships of the starving artists (who knew full well what they were getting into) aren't always directly related to stealing of popular music.

[SlartyBartFast]

Can't beleive I'm bothering to wade into this discussion but....

It's stealing, and if it can be shut down it should be. It's a simple case of freedom. The freedom of the owner of material to decide what to do with it and how it should be used.

If an artist has given up their rights to a big studio they are free to do so. The studio, no matter how big has the right to put ANY constraints on the product they want. The person who buys the music from the studio implicitly agrees to the studios terms (copyright laws).

If YOU come up with the next big paintball product do you jave a right to profit from it? Or, should we just figure you don't deserve the money and copy it all we want?

How would you feel if at the end of a work day your boss says you won't be paid because he decided to share your work with someone else?

And so far as cost of producing a CD. Add in the cost of the million dollar music videos, travel, promotion, etc, etc, and the cost is huge. Admittedly this was from industry sources, but it has been said that a big name CD has to go gold before any money is made. One hit CD makes the profit and covers the loss for several moderate sellers.

PS: The poll question and answers make absolutely no sense.

[mikey101]

Napsters back...

It's back...but not what it used to be. So for all of you who like the leisure of getting music off of the internet, but don't want to be stealing, this is for you.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/02/25/music.napster.reut/index.html

[MicrOMag]

Originally posted by Restola

Dont the most popular bands lose the most if a large portion of society stopped buying CDs (since statisticly more of their fans will be involved)?

The hardships of the starving artists (who knew full well what they were getting into) aren't always directly related to stealing of popular music.

All and any kind of music is stolen...

Yes, they know full well unless they make it big they're starving artists but I'm just saying it hurts the small guys especially. I have great respect for the artists who hold minimum wage/low paying jobs just so they have the ability to play with their group and *try* to make it. Unless the band is put together or break through quickly chances are they were once starving and went through much hardship so their work should go rewarded.

I'm not saying that I don't get my music off of kazaa, I'm just saying *it is* illegal. It will eventually stop on a full scale public basis unless people start paying membership fees and just to keep in mind not every band is a super band so their pockets might be hurting.

[mikey101]

I don't worry a bit about the artists when i download their music because of one thing, i'm not taking the money from them, it's mostly from their record label. According to an interview a while back with destinys child, they say all artists get very, very little money from selling their cd's, but where the big bucks come in is their concerts and such. So if the only reason you're not downloading music is because you are worried about supporting some artist, then you should realize that you're not hurting them, you're hurting their label.

[BobTheCow]

mikey - isn't napster a pay site now though?

[MicrOMag]

Originally posted by mikey101
I don't worry a bit about the artists when i download their music because of one thing, i'm not taking the money from them, it's mostly from their record label. According to an interview a while back with destinys child, they say all artists get very, very little money from selling their cd's, but where the big bucks come in is their concerts and such. So if the only reason you're not downloading music is because you are worried about supporting some artist, then you should realize that you're not hurting them, you're hurting their label.

And you should realize thats asinine reasoning. If the label gets hurt they get hurt. If you're not making the money up top you're certainly not going to be making it down low.

[AutomagBoy]

Originally posted by AutomagBoy
mIrc?

What? who? when? where?.....huh?

i repeat

[speedyejl]

I've taken progarms like Dreamweaver, Flash Author, Adobe Photo Shop, Jascs Paint Shop, etc from Kazza. Personally I think its ok. My ISP doesn't allow use of Kazza though. If you violate it from what I heat they send an email notification asking you to stop. Yada yada

[mikey101]

Yes, Napster is going to be a pay site because it's being run by Roxio which is one of the leading burning software companies. That's why i say if you're not a big fan of stealing, but want to download stuff off of the internet, then this is the place for you.

[spydervenom]

see...if it werent for kazaa, we wouldn't have had this discussion, and i wouldn't have heard of ill nino...

i am on my way to d/l some of their songs.

[alkafluence]

Originally posted by mikey101
Yes, Napster is going to be a pay site because it's being run by Roxio which is one of the leading burning software companies. That's why i say if you're not a big fan of stealing, but want to download stuff off of the internet, then this is the place for you.

The funny thing is that BMG (the recording company that bought a stake in Napster to turn it into a pay service) is now being sued by other recording companies that allege BMG helped Napster to remain open to promote piracy.

http://news.com.com/2100-1023-985285.html

It's like a pack of hyenas attacking one another when 1 is wounded.

[DaveDog]

Kazaa kind of blows. Audiogalaxy is very cool.