an email I sent to the parntership for a drug free california...

[AcemanPB]

Well I say if people want to smoke, more power to you. But you will never see me smoking anything, it just isn't healthy and I can't see me throwing away my money and health just for getting high. Besides me and my friends are stupid enough already...

[PolishSausage]

You voted for Ralph Nader, didn't you?

[SlartyBartFast]

Re: Re: Think about it!

Originally posted by irbodden

WHEN DID WE GET A SOCIALIST HEALTH PROGRAM AGAIN?

This is bizzare. Like the third time I've read a dig against socialist/communist health care today.

What's pathetic is that the US spends more per capita on it's health care system than Canada and hardly anybody gets any kind of coverage.

Open your eyes and leave the dim hole of simple labeled politics.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by irbodden
Where did I say anything bashing your socialist government? I merely said, we don't have programs like yours.

But you do have programs like ours. THey just apply to a small minority of your population and cost your rediculous amounts of money.

My quip about labels was undeserved, and I appologise. However, for decent debate on political issues really do try to drop the simplistic lables. When the loaded words are avoided and all members in a debate avoid insulting each other, it's amazing how much people actually have in common.

As far as the actual topic of this thread, seems to me Canada is currently taking a decent approach. Legalised for medical use and decriminalised (means you get fined not jailed) for small quantities for personal use. The US governemnt really didn't have many nice things to say about that change in the Canadian law...

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by PolishSausage
You voted for Ralph Nader, didn't you?

Which implies what? Use logic and argue ideas. Feigned insults, innuendo, and simplistic labelling do nothing to to promote your ideas.

[1stdeadeye]

Re: Re: Not quite!

Originally posted by irbodden


I'd be willing to bet tabacco costs cover more then the Medicad. In that case, they are a benefit to the average person eh?

Again I wish it did. Medicaid accounts for between 10 and 25% of the average states budget. Tobacco taxes don't bring in that much money. It is alot, but not 10 to 25% of any states income.

[1stdeadeye]

Re: Re: Re: Think about it!

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast


This is bizzare. Like the third time I've read a dig against socialist/communist health care today.

What's pathetic is that the US spends more per capita on it's health care system than Canada and hardly anybody gets any kind of coverage.

Open your eyes and leave the dim hole of simple labeled politics.

Canada eh?

Where do Canadians go when they need the best care in the world? The same place the rest of the world comes to the US! Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, Harvard School of Medicine... Don't here many cases of world leaders going to Canada for high risk treatments now do you?

The US has the best healthcare available in the world. That is why so many come here to seek it out. Also, healthcare makes up about 12% of our economy, so you just can't turn it over to the government the way many other countries do. BTW where do Canadians get their Rx drugs? Oh yeah the U.S. Pharmacuetical costs are a huge part of our healthcare costs. The US drug giants create them and then the rest of the world rips them off (especially INDIA and the Pacific Rim).

[than205]

Reading material - http://www.jackherer.com/

[giblit]

it would be nice for like a news program to talk to the people that make these commerials and ask them what they are trying to accomplish with these commerials, and ask them what percent of truth they are.

[Gotenks]

another thing is, is that the chemical that makes you "high" usually gets stored in your fat tissue for around 30 days.

If you haven't eaten for a while, then your body will start to burn fat. And while it does that, it will re-release that chemical, so say you skipped breakfast cause your in a hurry, and start driving to work or school, you feel your stomach groan for food, but while your body switches to using body fat, your getting high again.

[joeyjoe367]

Originally posted by Gotenks
another thing is, is that the chemical that makes you "high" usually gets stored in your fat tissue for around 30 days.

If you haven't eaten for a while, then your body will start to burn fat. And while it does that, it will re-release that chemical, so say you skipped breakfast cause your in a hurry, and start driving to work or school, you feel your stomach groan for food, but while your body switches to using body fat, your getting high again.

LoL! that's kinda funny.

I dunno. I think people get pissed over ads like the anti-drug ones and make big shpeals about how it's "not bad for you" or some crap like that just so that they can feel better about doing something immoral and illegal.

[InfinatyBPS]

LOL @ Gotenks, look like I'm going to have to do more Jogging...

and Joeyjo, Do you even know why its illegal? Also, I fail to see how its immoral, it seems that you have been getting your morals from the wrong place, and you have been just taking in the mindless crap that the media and government is feeding you. I don't know about you but I don't see what is immoral about feeling good and a little bit dizzy for a couple hours from burning a plant Like if you found out that eating oregano or something like that made you lose weight or gain muscle faster, or just made you feel good and you ate it would you feel like you did something immoral?

[giblit]

Originally posted by Gotenks
another thing is, is that the chemical that makes you "high" usually gets stored in your fat tissue for around 30 days.

If you haven't eaten for a while, then your body will start to burn fat. And while it does that, it will re-release that chemical, so say you skipped breakfast cause your in a hurry, and start driving to work or school, you feel your stomach groan for food, but while your body switches to using body fat, your getting high again.

thats a load of crap... you wont get stoned but you *might* feel it a little, i know exactly what your talking about and ive heard several rumors about that, and i know from experience that, that doesnt work, i smoke several times a day and i quit and i didnt eat for 3 days and i didnt get high from not eating...

[SlartyBartFast]

First I'll start with simple principles that are best to follow in order to have a good amicable discussion. Attack ideas not people. Self agrandisement does not make a logical or mature argument. Putting down others does not make a logical or mature argument.

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Where do Canadians go when they need the best care in the world? The same place the rest of the world comes to the US! Mayo Clinic, Johns Hopkins, Harvard School of Medicine... Don't here many cases of world leaders going to Canada for high risk treatments now do you?

Actually you should do your homework. There are many fine internationally renowned health care facilities in Canada. The Royal Victoria in Montreal is known for it's work in brain surgery and mental illness. Toronto's children's hospital is also world renowned. Many americans study at McGill university here in Montreal because of the quality of the education AND the low cost.

Canadians (Quebecers) currently go to Plattsburgh for treatment for certain cancers, but that's because of a shortage of nurses, oncologists, and anesthetists. A situation that many areas all over North America are facing.

The US has the best healthcare available in the world. That is why so many come here to seek it out.

That's questionable. Sure it's the best as long as you can afford it. And if you WERE insured the first time you were seriously ill, you better hope you never fall ill again and that you can find a job. You'll have hundreds of thousands in bills to pay and never get insurance again.

I think Britain or Sweden would qualify as the best based on standard of care and access to services. Canada has some serious problems with access to services and general funding. However, when a family member had triple bypass surgery, and years later a very serious stroke, the service was there and it was free.

Also, healthcare makes up about 12% of our economy, so you just can't turn it over to the government the way many other countries do.

Turning it over to the government is not the only way to go. I actually believe that it's the wrong way to go. Britain's public private partnerships (PPP) seem to be the most balanced approach.

To provide more services to those in need, universal access isn't even needed. The US government and individual insurance policy holders could save millions (billions?) if the insurance industry was forced to use standardised insurance forms. The savings could then provide services to those currently left out. Legislating minimum insurance policy levels would ensure that no one became uninsurable.

BTW where do Canadians get their Rx drugs? Oh yeah the U.S. Pharmacuetical costs are a huge part of our healthcare costs. The US drug giants create them and then the rest of the world rips them off (especially INDIA and the Pacific Rim).

Now you're really wrong. Montreal has one of the largest concentrations of drug research and manufacturing companies in North America.

Pharmaceutical costs are a large part of our health care costs as well. The same is true throughout the world. But, as our system caps the prices that drug manufacturers can charge many Americans are finding it profitable to take day bus trips over the border to buy their drugs at Canadian pharmacies.

The true injustice in drug manufacturing and sales is that many drugs are developed by the US CDC and other government research departments. They then give the drug to a manufacturer to market. The AIDS drugs for example that Al Gore had to strike a deal with the Africans over were drugs developed with US taxpayer money, given to a company headed by a good friend of Al. Those drugs now account for the majority of that company's billion dollar profits.

I don't think I can really fault poor countries like India and those in the Pacific Rim deciding to not sign on the patent treaties that protect profit before the life of their citizens. Canada took the same stand recently when the company that provides the anti-Anthrax drug refused to provide sufficient quantities to the Canadian government. We had a generic drug manufacturing company make it so that we could be protected.

[Jonesie]

They try to scare people out of smoking weed with those commercials because weed makes you paranoid (or so I've heard). they're playing on the effects of that which they are trying to defame.

Dave (Not a Smoker) Jones