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  • Army
    Moderator of DOOOOOOOOMMM!

    • Oct 2000
    • 5785

    #1

    IRAQ THREAD originaly "Seems at least one Brit agrees with me....er us."

    This article never made it to the American press, sad too, as it is spot on. When I joined the Army 15 years ago, there were no real threats to America, heck, the USSR was falling apart and the Berlin wall was coming down. My military life was pretty easy, considering that I had no worries about getting shot by someone who didn't agree with my, or my country's, politics.

    Tony's article spells out perfectly why I do, what I do...and damn proud to do it.


    ********************************************
    Tony Parsons Daily Mirror September 11, 2002


    One year ago, the world witnessed a unique kind of broadcasting-- the mass murder of thousands, live on television. As a lesson in the pitiless cruelty of the human race, September 11 was up there with Pol Pot's Mountain of Skulls in Cambodia, or the skeletal bodies stacked like garbage in the Nazi concentration camps.


    An unspeakable act so cruel, so calculated and so utterly merciless that surely the world could agree on one thing - nobody deserves this fate. Surely there could be consensus: The victims were truly innocent, the perpetrators truly evil.


    But to the world's eternal shame, 9/11 is increasingly seen as America's comeuppance. Incredibly, anti-Americanism has increased over the last year.


    There has always been a simmering resentment to the USA in this country; too loud, too rich, too full of themselves, and so much happier than Europeans - but it has become an epidemic. And it seems incredible to me. More than that, it turns my stomach.


    America is this country's greatest friend and our staunchest ally. We are bonded to the US by culture, language and blood. A little over

    half a century ago, around half a million Americans died for our freedoms, as well as their own. Have we forgotten so soon? And exactly a year ago, thousands of ordinary men, women and children - not just Americans, but from dozens of countries, were butchered by a small group of religious fanatics. Are we so quick to betray them?


    What touched the heart about those who died in the Twin Towers and on the planes, was that we recognized them. Young fathers and mothers, somebody's son and somebody's daughter, husbands, wives, and children, some

    unborn.


    And these people brought it on themselves? Their nation is to blame for their meticulously planned slaughter?


    These days you don't have to be some dust-encrusted nut job in Kabul or Karachi or Finsbury Park to see America as the Great Satan. The anti-American alliance is made up of self-loathing liberals who blame the Americans for every ill in the Third World, and conservatives suffering from power-envy, bitter that the world's only superpower can do what it likes without having to ask permission.


    The truth is that America has behaved with enormous restraint since September 11.


    Remember, remember -


    Remember the gut-wrenching tapes of weeping men phoning their wives to say, "I love you," before they were burned alive.


    Remember those people leaping to their deaths from the top of Burning skyscrapers.


    Remember the hundreds of firemen buried alive.


    Remember the smiling face of that beautiful little girl who was on one of the planes with her mum.


    Remember, remember -


    And realize that America has never retaliated for 9/11 in anything like the way it could have.


    So a few al-Qaeda tourists got locked without a trial in Camp X-ray? Pass the Kleenex . . .


    So some Afghan wedding receptions were shot up after they merrily Fired their semi-automatics in a sky full of American planes? A shame, but maybe next time they should stick to confetti.


    AMERICA could have turned a large chunk of the world into a parking lot. That it didn't is a sign of strength. American voices are already being raised against attacking Iraq - that's what a democracy is for. How many in the Islamic world will have a minute's silence for the slaughtered innocents of 9/11? How many Islamic leaders will have the guts to say that the mass murder of 9/11 was an abomination?


    When the news of 9/11 broke on the West Bank, those freedom-loving Palestinians were dancing in the street. America watched all of that - and didn't push the button. We should thank the stars that America is the most powerful nation in the world. I still find it incredible that 9/11 did not provoke all-out war. Not a "war on terrorism." A real war.


    The fundamentalist dudes are talking about "opening the gates of hell," if America attacks Iraq. Well, America could have opened the gates of hell like you wouldn't believe.


    The US is the most militarily powerful nation that ever strode the face of the earth. The campaign in Afghanistan may have been less than perfect and the planned war on Iraq may be misconceived.


    But don't blame America for not bringing peace and light to these wretched countries. How many democracies are there in the Middle East, or in the Muslim world? You can count them on the fingers of one hand -assuming you haven't had any chopped off for minor shoplifting.


    I love America, yet America is hated. I guess that makes me Bush's poodle.


    But I would rather be a dog in New York City than a Prince in Riyadh. Above all, America is hated because it is what every country wants to be - rich, free, strong, open, optimistic. Not ground down by the past, or religion, or some caste system. America is the best friend this country ever had and we should start remembering that.


    Or do you really think the USA is the root of all evil? Tell it to the loved ones of the men and women who leaped to their death from the burning towers.


    Tell it to the nursing mothers whose husbands died on one of the hijacked planes, or were ripped apart in a collapsing skyscraper. And tell it to the hundreds of young widows whose husbands worked for the New York Fire Department.


    To our shame, George Bush gets a worse press than Saddam Hussein. Once we were told that Saddam gassed the Kurds, tortured his own people and set up rape-camps in Kuwait. Now we are told he likes Quality Street. Save me the orange center, Oh Mighty One!


    Remember, remember, September 11 -


    One of the greatest atrocities in human history was committed against America.


    No, do more than remember. Never forget.
  • Dayspring
    aka- The Day Wang

    • May 2001
    • 9664

    #2
    Here here.

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    • Load SM5
      Scruffy Administrator

      • Oct 2000
      • 6772

      #3
      damn right.....


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      • spazzed
        AOChamp
        • Jun 2001
        • 4461

        #4
        Amen to that...

        Good for nothing bunch of bleeding-heart worthless liberals.

        Army, Thank-You for everything you've done. Take care of yourself out there, you'll be in all our thoughts and prayers.
        I'm way too old for this ****.

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        • joeyjoe367
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          • May 2001
          • 1982

          #5
          Army: Give 'em Hell

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          • 1stdeadeye
            Still around????
            • Jun 2002
            • 8501

            #6
            Amen!

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            • shartley
              paintball player
              • Mar 2001
              • 9169

              #7

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              • aaron_mag
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 1375

                #8
                Sorry....I have to be the voice of disharmony (as 1stdeadeye is sure to predict).

                September 11th was a horrible tragedy and the tragic nature was recognized by people around the world (as was alluded to in the article). I remember reading stories about German boats flying US flags after 9/11! It brought tears to my eyes.

                The general feeling in the US is the goodwill is gone from world and that the world has become anti-American. The question that some of us fail to ask about ourselves is WHY! How can we go from Germans flying US Flags to feeling like they are ungrateful to all we have done for them (which is alot).

                I would submit that they feel slighted by us! So many countries extended the hands of friendship after 9/11 until we started the "you are either with us or against us speeches". It was like slapping them in the face! I appreciate the Brits statement of solidarity but I will also submit that if we are a freedom loving country (which I believe that we are) then we must accept that other countries can disagree with us without them being our "enemies". On this board there are a ton of anti French jokes. Is respect not a two way street?

                This is not an anti military statement. As I have said before on the board my cousin is a Marine pilot and two of my uncles are retired army. I have no problem with a strong military. If anything our technological advantage to GROW! Anyway I've put in my two cents.
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                • Collegeboy

                  #9
                  I agree.

                  A lot of people confuse a disagreement, a criticism, with anti-Americanism. Heck I have been called an anti-American for I am against this war.

                  Am I saying that there is no one out there who hates us, no 911 proves that. But to say that everyone who disagrees with us, or the majority who disagree with us is anti-US is just plain wrong.

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                  • Kevmaster
                    Owners Group Div: Director
                    • Oct 2001
                    • 5475

                    #10
                    so these people arnt anti american during their protests:





                    (the boy is calling him a hero)






                    (thats supposed to be Prez Bush)









                    one note: all these pictures were taken in the past 4 days!

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                    • Collegeboy

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Collegeboy
                      I agree.

                      A lot of people confuse a disagreement, a criticism, with anti-Americanism. Heck I have been called an anti-American for I am against this war.

                      Am I saying that there is no one out there who hates us, no 911 proves that. But to say that everyone who disagrees with us, or the majority who disagree with us is anti-US is just plain wrong.

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                      • shartley
                        paintball player
                        • Mar 2001
                        • 9169

                        #12
                        That article and those that agree with it NEVER said "everyone

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                        • aaron_mag
                          Registered User
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 1375

                          #13
                          I believe that the Army's post had to do with French, German, Chinese, etc anti sentiment. Furthermore I am not arguing that the French, German, and Chinese have some anti american sentiment (even the Brits). My point is WHY?

                          We have failed to deal with our allies with diplomacy and tact. When I heard that our official had referred to France and Germany as "old Europe" I wanted to smack him. That is neither diplomatic nor tactful and is it wrong to expect such things from our officials?

                          They are our allies. We may disagree over things like Iraq but when it comes to the important stuff our ties are strong. Remember 9/11 and the outpouring of support that came to us in the aftermath. In the important stuff they are with us!

                          EDIT:

                          Shartely was posting while I was typing. Yes shame on me. Shame on me for saying remember 9/11 and the support our allies had for us then. While it was a tragedy the outpouring of support from our allies was a beautiful thing. We should not forget this over disagreements we have now.
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                          • shartley
                            paintball player
                            • Mar 2001
                            • 9169

                            #14
                            Originally posted by aaron_mag
                            Sorry....I have to be the voice of disharmony (as 1stdeadeye is sure to predict).

                            September 11th was a horrible tragedy and the tragic nature was recognized by people around the world (as was alluded to in the article). I remember reading stories about German boats flying US flags after 9/11! It brought tears to my eyes.

                            The general feeling in the US is the goodwill is gone from world and that the world has become anti-American. The question that some of us fail to ask about ourselves is WHY! How can we go from Germans flying US Flags to feeling like they are ungrateful to all we have done for them (which is alot).

                            I would submit that they feel slighted by us! So many countries extended the hands of friendship after 9/11 until we started the "you are either with us or against us speeches". It was like slapping them in the face! I appreciate the Brits statement of solidarity but I will also submit that if we are a freedom loving country (which I believe that we are) then we must accept that other countries can disagree with us without them being our "enemies". On this board there are a ton of anti French jokes. Is respect not a two way street?

                            This is not an anti military statement. As I have said before on the board my cousin is a Marine pilot and two of my uncles are retired army. I have no problem with a strong military. If anything our technological advantage to GROW! Anyway I've put in my two cents.

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                            • shartley
                              paintball player
                              • Mar 2001
                              • 9169

                              #15
                              Originally posted by aaron_mag
                              I believe that the Army's post had to do with French, German, Chinese, etc anti sentiment. Furthermore I am not arguing that the French, German, and Chinese have some anti american sentiment (even the Brits). My point is WHY?

                              We have failed to deal with our allies with diplomacy and tact. When I heard that our official had referred to France and Germany as "old Europe" I wanted to smack him. That is neither diplomatic nor tactful and is it wrong to expect such things from our officials?

                              They are our allies. We may disagree over things like Iraq but when it comes to the important stuff our ties are strong. Remember 9/11 and the outpouring of support that came to us in the aftermath. In the important stuff they are with us!

                              EDIT:

                              Shartely was posting while I was typing. Yes shame on me. Shame on me for saying remember 9/11 and the support our allies had for us then. While it was a tragedy the outpouring of support from our allies was a beautiful thing. We should not forget this over disagreements we have now.
                              Yes, blame US for how irrational people think of us. WE are the fault. Yes, a few comments that some people may not like is justification for a full out anti-American stance? YES, shame on you.

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