IRAQ THREAD originaly "Seems at least one Brit agrees with me....er us."

[Collegeboy]

I am wondering.

Does anyone think that all of these ethnic groups in Iraq are just going to go peacefully and allow just any leader to be put into power?

This reminds me of the problems that came up with the break up of the Austro-Hungarian empire.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Sooky
Well, I am choosing to believe Kofi Annan. I don't understand why he would be wrong in this matter. Maybe explain?

And if you would listen to what he said you can still. but you chose to listen to others that interpreted it for you.

We are indeed doing exactly what the ICC demanded. Its some of them that decided to change their minds and reinterpret what they said. It is them that are in violation of their own resolution. They chose to forget and not back it up. Most of them still know what they intended but just would rather not admit it...

Most countries you say Say its illegal actualy say the THINK it MAY be illegal. However they are very carefull not to SAY its illegal because then it would be argued that what they are doing is ILLEGAL. They are not enforcing the cease fire agreement AND UN resolution 1441. And thats illegal!

[1stdeadeye]

Re: Re: Okay?

Originally posted by aaron_mag



This is true. Moderators not trying to emphasize the Bush point of view.

Uhmm, they have not censored or deleted anything you have posted have they. Keeping it all in one place is bad how? Anyone is welcome to jump in. I have not personally attacked anyone now have I? Debate yes, Dissent of course, if we all just agreed, this would be a very boring, short, welcome to AO thread!

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Sooky

Well, I don't think I'm a fool, but I am pretty sure I read a direct quote from him. It is possible I am wrong though, I will have to verify that. Although, I have heard the same from some of my professors, and thought it was common knowledge... But I will have to check.

Point one...its commonly SAID that they said it but that don't make it so! You need to listen to what they said. Only France tried to outright say it as close as they could but then again THEY have caused the violation of international law themselves! Let me explain...

There are two sides to every legal argument. One is the side we and our allies are taking in that they are illegaly failing to enforce the cease fire agreement and resolution 1441. And they voted unanimously to do enfoce it. And it is only a few nations with veto power who are ILLEGALY welding them to stop what MOST nations already agreed would be done. That is being done to impeed the implementation of 1441. It is the Nations (the few) that are impeeding the UN resolutions that are in violation of international Law. Which by the way is Voluntary! Protection of Soverenty is not. And it is the founding principal of all peoples volunteering to adhear to UN as international law. Without that there would be none. And when the UN allows itself to violate its own resolutions the agreement is breeched. And that is the case here. One or two nations managed to breech international law and I believe for thier own financial interests. I am convinced of that.

Another thing you need to realize is that a College Campus is not anywhere close to the real world. I am at one every day. I know. Its ripe with people who thing they are smart on everything just because they are in one narrow thing. Pompus Know it alls are rampant in that environment. Another thing is that most college aged students are ignorant of current affairs outside of what they are told that is filtered by their peers and professors. I am telling you to keep a open mind and dig the facts up for yourself. Your the only one YOU can trust!

[1stdeadeye]

Esh!

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast

Well, I didn't waste my time with the repetitive insults. The signal to noise ratio is pretty low. I simply meant to state I read the signal on the first few pages until it started to diverge.

Read it or don't comment. What are you a cherry picker?

While the American support and participation was crucial, the biggest gripe is that it is always over estimated by the US. Indeed much of the gripe may be that with all the US actually DID do, why is it they have to steal the honour in battles and actions that were not their doing (Think U-571)?

Uhm U-571 was a fictional movie? Maybe thinking a little to hard on that one. Also the movie concludes with credits showing all of the various ships from all Allied Countries that captured Enigmas and code Books...Starting with the first ones captured by the British. I guess we shouldn't take the Alamo as a documentary then?
[B]

BTW fighting in reverse does not count as valor?

Alright, I can recognize a smilie. But is it really appropriate? Do you honestly find being invaded multiple times and having your country's soil filled with the blood and bones of millions a laughing matter. With so little respect shown is it any wonder Americans are not particularily liked? Lack of respect for other annihilates any of the respect you may have earned.


Well it doesn't count does it?

I am not going to dignify the rest of your post. As for facts on the situation try looking here:Facts

This is hard facts not innuendo and rumor. Slander the President and VP all you want, no skin off my butt. Like I said, bring proof or go away!

[Sooky]

Cphil- I understand you point about the past UN resolutions. I do follow current affairs as much as I can (apart from college), though I would admit it is often one-sided (thats why I have been interested in this thread). However, as I already stated, I am not an expert, and did not mean to get too caught up in this.

[1stdeadeye]

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Originally posted by Sooky
Besides this coming war being illegal, one thing that concerns me is the US governments refusal to adhere to, and campaign against, the new International Criminal Court that was officially opened on March 11 (especially as it is on the eve of war). Since it is meant to persecute war crimes, why can't the USA sign on to show its good intentions to the international community? It's things like this that make me a little nervous...

Are you seriuos? Bush offered to join with assurances of protection for US Service Personel. They would not give it, we did not join?

That court is flawed and will fail quickly. Look at the Belgian War Crimes Law. Palestinians are now trying to indite Sharon there? No politcal prosecutions? Of course not!

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


Then how can your grandfather land on Gold Beach.

Na standard history is fine.

idiot.

he landed on Gold beach in Normandy France in WW2.

thanks for showing your true idiocy for the day.

I was beginning to get worried.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Sooky
Cphil- I understand you point about the past UN resolutions. I do follow current affairs as much as I can (apart from college), though I would admit it is often one-sided (thats why I have been interested in this thread). However, as I already stated, I am not an expert, and did not mean to get too caught up in this.

Sooky I got great hope for you! You truly have an open mind. And like I said do not take anyones word for any of this EVEN MINE! Decide for yourself. But study and be skeptical.

[1stdeadeye]

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Originally posted by Sooky
Well, I am choosing to believe Kofi Annan. I don't understand why he would be wrong in this matter. Maybe explain?

Well Sooky, I am glad you joined the debate, Welcome! The more the merrier!

Now as for your above post, keep this in mind: Kofi has a lot at stake keeping Iraq under the U.N.'s thumb. Right now, the UN collects and keeps 28% of all of Iraqs oil proceeds for"administrative and other functions". 28% of $59 billion is a lot of cash, eh? He might not want to see that cash cow set free of his organization.

[1stdeadeye]

Bully?

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast
Seems to me that the singling out of the French for ridicule is more of a high school bully kind of tactic than diplomacy or mature conduct.

Bully? Correct me if I am wrong, but after the bully is done kicking your butt, Isn't he supposed to take your lunch money? We took a vote (Congress), we are going to kick their tails and then give them some of our lunch money! Darn it, some one needs to tell Bush the proper way to bully the world!

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife


idiot.

he landed on Gold beach in Normandy France in WW2.

thanks for showing your true idiocy for the day.

I was beginning to get worried.

Isn't it kind of hard for an American soldier to land with the British.

http://www.what-if-you.com/ww2memorial/wwii__chapter_34.htm

Britian= Gold and Sword
US = Utah and Omaha
Canada/British=Juno

So unless your grandfather fought for the british he could not have landed at Gold.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


Isn't it kind of hard for an American soldier to land with the British.

http://www.what-if-you.com/ww2memorial/wwii__chapter_34.htm

Britian= Gold and Sword
US = Utah and Omaha
Canada/British=Juno

So unless your grandfather fought for the british he could not have landed at Gold.

how little you know boy.

he was a liason officer with the army. attached to the British 2nd.

I think this is the part where you remove your foot from your mouth?

or better yet, do us a favor and keep it there.

you're a perfect example of why children should be seen and not heard.

[cphilip]

Everyone go to the news...something MAY be happening. We may be switching threads....

[cphilip]

the President will adress the Nation at 10:15...

We will end the debate as to why and if then and switch to what is happening and only that. The debate on AO will end and we will switch to factual discussion of the Operation. Please adhear to that as I will edit heavily at that point.

Watch the news now!