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  • CasingBill
    The Case Wang
    • Jan 2003
    • 1347

    #16
    I don't think it was a landmine. Only because if it were I think the point of impact would have been in the front part of the track where initial contact was made. Just my opinion.
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    • edweird
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      • Dec 2001
      • 1859

      #17
      the tank could of been preforming a turning movement with both tracks and could of easly hit a mine... also as with my airmunitions some have a delayed fuse to maximize effect.

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      • *captain_cox*37
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        • Apr 2003
        • 245

        #18
        That tank got pretty screwed up. I dont think an RPG could have even done that. Maybe.
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        • HoppysMag
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          • Oct 2001
          • 3494

          #19
          Originally posted by *captain_cox*37
          That tank got pretty screwed up. I dont think an RPG could have even done that. Maybe.

          i think u horibly over setamating the power of an RPG...
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          • Orange Crush
            Registered User
            • Dec 2002
            • 78

            #20
            I'd like to see a few more pictures from other angles.

            I feel pretty safe saying that it wasn't an anti-tank landmine, for a couple of reasons. 1, there are still road wheels relatively intact at the blast site, and 2, the ground under the track is concrete.

            It could quite possibly be a HEAT round delivered by an Iraqi tank. Chances are very good, as several other people pointed out, that the crew survived. I met a crew that took not one, but two HEAT rounds in Desert Storm and still fired rounds in battle.
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            • Army
              Moderator of DOOOOOOOOMMM!

              • Oct 2000
              • 5785

              #21
              Guys, it was hit from the rear with at least a 90mm recoilless rifle. There is minimum armor at the rear grills of an M1...or any other tank for that matter... and a heat round could easily penetrate to the rear fuel cells. The automatic fire extinguishing system is very good, but even it can't handle 300 gallons of fuel going up.

              An anti-tank mine would have blown the track off, or at least broken it. Either would have resulted in the track being laid out behind the tank. As you can see, the track blocks are still around the idler and drive sprockets.

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              • Blennidae
                an epileptic hummingbird
                • Nov 2001
                • 1920

                #22
                Army:
                Most of the damage is on the front of the tank. The front being on the right hand side of the pic. You can see the cut out in the skirt by the drive sprocket.

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                • dfs
                  Registered User
                  • Nov 2002
                  • 33

                  #23
                  a few days back i remember seeing a quick story on cnn about an a fight were we lost an abrams. they reported that a suicude "technical" filled with explosives managed to slam into the side of one our tanks. they said the crew was fine and made a few comments about how well built out tanks must be. they showed a picture of the tank and it looked similar to the one you posted but due to the fact that my memory is far from photographic and cnn is piped to my desktop at work in a postcard-size window (low-res) i cannot say for certain.


                  an explosive filled truck would tear up items like the treads, roadwheels, suspension components, optics, turret mgs, and anything else the tank was hauling on the turret. but it would not be able to focus any of its energy on to one spot to actually penetrate the armor like a lined-cavity anti-tank round.

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                  • Army
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                    • Oct 2000
                    • 5785

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Blennidae
                    Army:
                    Most of the damage is on the front of the tank. The front being on the right hand side of the pic. You can see the cut out in the skirt by the drive sprocket.
                    Umm..no. The rear/Engine/aft/back-end of the tank is to the left in the pic. The drive sprocket is attached to the final drives, which are attached to the transmission, which is attached to the engine....all in the rear, with the cut-out skirt. The turret is facing forward at 10 O'clock.

                    I work on M1's nearly every day.
                    Last edited by Army; 04-17-2003, 10:51 PM.

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                    • Blennidae
                      an epileptic hummingbird
                      • Nov 2001
                      • 1920

                      #25
                      Army:
                      I'm sure you know a lot more than I do about the M1, but I think the pic is hard to read.

                      You can clearly see the cable "step" thing on the bottom of the skirt on the right side of the pic. This is on the front of the tank.

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                      • Blennidae
                        an epileptic hummingbird
                        • Nov 2001
                        • 1920

                        #26
                        I adjusted the brightness so its easier to see. You can make out the teeth on the drive sprocket on the left of the pic.

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                        • Army
                          Moderator of DOOOOOOOOMMM!

                          • Oct 2000
                          • 5785

                          #27
                          BAH! I meant left...(Army drops and does twenty)

                          The rear fuel tanks burned, taking the ammo bustle racks with it. There is little to no damage to the front slopes.

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                          • Star_Base_CGI
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                            • Dec 2002
                            • 778

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Army
                            Guys, it was hit from the rear with at least a 90mm recoilless rifle. There is minimum armor at the rear grills of an M1...or any other tank for that matter... and a heat round could easily penetrate to the rear fuel cells. The automatic fire extinguishing system is very good, but even it can't handle 300 gallons of fuel going up.

                            An anti-tank mine would have blown the track off, or at least broken it. Either would have resulted in the track being laid out behind the tank. As you can see, the track blocks are still around the idler and drive sprockets.
                            The rear is also susceptable to RPGs, which Russia sold to the Iraqis.


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                            • HoppysMag
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                              • Oct 2001
                              • 3494

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Star_Base_CGI


                              The rear is also susceptable to RPGs, which Russia sold to the Iraqis.


                              RPG = Rocket Propeled Grenade
                              im gunna have to argue that an RPG is WAY to weak to affect this tank.
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