Marijuana Legalization; where do you stand?

[bluepiz]

Re: Not Really

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Not really. I am wasting my 2000th post on this.

I stopped responding here because those of you who are convinced they need/want/have a right to there pot no longer listen to any point that does not support your POV. So why should those of us who may no better bother responding?

.... anything the pro people say are always dismissed without hardly being looked at by the prohibition side. and i do listen to the prohibition people, and then debunk all the stupid myths they've been brainwashed with since the days of their youth.

Ever wonder why they call pot dope, dope?

because the prohibitionists slapped that name onto there to try and associate it with harder drugs and make it sound bad..

ever wonder why they call pot 'the greatest thing since sliced bread'?

[TransMan]

Wow u couldnt walk cant say ive ever been that messed up but it would be hard to tell since i rarely ever walk any where.

Wish someone would give me brownies

[fenris69]

Well,

I just read through this entire thread an I have a few comments. I started smoking pot ...oh must have been around 13-14, those difficult years(coincidentally the same time I first started paintball! It's a GATEWAY TO FUN!!! hehe...) and at the time it was just another of those rebellious yet fun things to try like alcohol. Now when you're young and stupid you also try a great many other things you shouldnt, ie. amphetamines, opiates, worse... but in the end, I quit them all. The gateway thing doesn't stick...some people will always push too far, and do things they shouldn't*cough*bungeejumping*cough*...human nature.

THC is addictive. Not in the classic chemical sense however, it's habit forming if used a LOT. Frankly the high feels *really* good, and if you're used to that sort of artificial joy on a daily basis then it can become an escape from the hardships of life, which IMO create and mold a person ie. builds character.

Therefore, IF you have an addictive personality which could extend to nicotine, cough syrup etc... be aware that pot will become a problem. As problems go it's fairly harmless though... it is generally far more self destructive(mainly through lack of positive activity) than harmful to others.

For myself, I put it down for several years of military...and then picked it right back up after. It was really quite easy, I just found something better to do. I've quit numerous times without any ill effects other than getting cranky I couldn't 'indulge myself'...oh well :P

Now, I'm at a point in my life it will be beneficial to cut back in a huge way, which I've recently done...I feel great btw. I quit smoking a couple years back and even that I was able to do cold turkey with the right frame of mind...painful as it was for me. My point is pot isn't a 'Bad Thing' , no more than any other potential intoxicant and should be treated as such. People that abuse pot however I think are far less likely to cause trouble for others than say...alcohol, it's just the nature of the drugs effect,not impossible but tough to get rowdy.

Now...war on drugs... I'm in Canada, B.C actually. I think I can safely say pot is as good as legal at least in my area, nothing is ever done about public smoking , it's easily available for low prices and damn near everyone is smoking at least on a casual basis. So I'd really rather they didn't legalize it, that would cause potential regulation problems like oldsoldier mentioned...and they'd start taxing etc...

ok, so that's a purely selfish view, it would effect me and those I know in a negative fashion, BUT! Considering the amount of trouble the states goes to yearly over this ragged weed, I'd have to strongly support any moves they make towards easing it onto the market. They'll still need the quality imports, at least for a while

edit: jebus! I just considered the potential for taxing imported canadian bud...the federal gov would clean up on that score!

[Sooky]

Originally posted by fenris69

Now...war on drugs... I'm in Canada, B.C actually. I think I can safely say pot is as good as legal at least in my area, nothing is ever done about public smoking , it's easily available for low prices and damn near everyone is smoking at least on a casual basis.

Man, where in BC do you live!?!?

[fenris69]

no harm...I can deny any statements made

Nanaimo, most drugs per capita in western canada I believe...nice port town they bring all the heroin/coke/meth through. Almost all the chronic is locally(island/mainland) grown. I think after a while it just became unmanagable for the cops to go after the smaller dealers and grows, not when there are so damned many HUGE ones around. Hell, gabriola island...while in high school I had friends that were shook down by one of the two cops that was there, took the weed, let em go. This was a semi-regular thing...and I'm fairly certain that wasn't going back to the station

Quadra island...sound familiar? FIELDS of green...

Texata...got it's own famous strain.

so...yeah, I'd say B.C is pretty lax on the marijuana restrictions, too many other more serious problems to worry about, not to mention the recent federal calling for decriminalization...man the states got up in arms over that one. Most canadians hadn't even heard about it.

[maginator]

Originally posted by Xen
lol ppl killed in drug related events .... so what? If you want to make the country a better place, how about a BAN on handguns. ????? that would save more lives and would be EASIER to do.

XEN you are the biggest idiot i dont know where to start! Ban hand guns? Do u know what the number one weapon used in houses that are robbed?? A SCREWDRIVER!! are u going to ban screwdrivers XEN. Handguns wouldnt do anything! And as far as making bud legal it should be done. In middle school i could get weed easier than a pack of sigs! You know why? Because they are legal! And u say more teens would be doing it? Dont you think when they legalize it that it would have an age limit like sigs and beer you moron! PLease just stop posting and go be bitter about not have friends and never being able to do drugs you 8th grade pencil neck ***!!!

[Conine]

What then?

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
I stopped responding here because those of you who are convinced they need/want/have a right to there pot no longer listen to any point that does not support your POV.

I've listened to them all and directly responded to anything that resembled an argument. (apart from issues that were already responded to.) If anything, I have gotten very few responses back. Many responses, including the one I'm responding to right now, amounted to something along the lines of "Well, I know I'm right and that's all that matters." Great for you, but not exactly a convincing argument.

So why should those of us who may no better bother responding?

If you don't want to debate, don't debate. But don't assume that you've debated successfully just because you have self-appointed yourself to a higher moral ground. If potheads are such dopers, why can't anyone come up with a legitimate reason?

[FutureMagOwner]

Originally posted by maginator
In middle school i could get weed easier than a pack of sigs!

didnt know sigs were bad unless over the size limit (yes im that much of an idiot)

i personally dont know where i stand on the subject and i being a man of science would have to try it first and know what it does and crap before i can pass judgement. also it seems like people mostly seem to think the damage comes from smoke, if so what about brownies? they dont have smoke in them... i think??

im not biased on the issue because i have no belief on it but i have some questions before i make my descision on it however im leaning towards pro-legalization along with a continuance of the war on drugs using tax money from marijuana(to hopefully put a stop or diminish the influence people such as FARC have and such)

[Miscue]

Maginator... you are banned for repeat offenses of flaming/disruptive behavior... until further notice.

[Timmee]

Hmm, what is my opinion on the subject? Well, I think using MJ is wrong. I'm never going to smoke it, eat it, or otherwise attempt to get high because of it. If someone else feels the need to get a buzz from it, I don't care, as long as it doesn't involve me. I won't drive someone to pick some up, and if I find out a passenger in my vehicle has it, they'll get dropped off at the nearest gas station/convenience store/shopping mall to arrange another ride. I also feel that anyone who injures/kills anyone else while driving under the influence of MJ has commited a drug related crime.

Should it be legalized? I'm unsure of this subject. On one hand, I feel that MJ is harmful, but I also feel that it MAY be the only way to stop drug related violence (robberies, shootouts, and other attacks).

I have a question for all of the people that smoke MJ. Why do you smoke? Is it to get high? To reduce depression? To reduce physical pain? Is there another reason?

[ReTroMagBoy]

Timmee-
i smoke for the fun and relaxation. MANY MANY people smoke to cope. im not one of them although i admit ive done it before for days on end during some rough times...i guess im what you would call a MJ smoker "enhancer" i like to smoke because it makes things more fun like watching a movie, playing football, video games, paintball, etc....i dont smoke to get "****ed up" because weed in itself does not intoxicate you enough. If more people shared your open-minded opinion on this subject Timmee the world would be a better place. See, i dont have a problem against people who do not use alcohol, MJ or any drug as long as they are not hypocritical and keep an open mind on the subject as you have shown.

[fenris69]

if you've never smoked up, sat down in front of a chocolate milkshake, a bag of chips, a ton of candy and a wicked movie...you haven't yet lived my good man!

lol

but seriously, everyone will have their own reasons for doing what they feel like, but that's what I think it comes down to. I was drinking and smoking like a fiend, so I switched to the herb for a while which completely killed my desire for either of the other two...was a calculated decision the lesser of the 3 vices IMO and something I enjoyed. The side effect of giving up nicotine and booze was a nice bonus. Now I have a need for my concentration and motivation again...so I give up the herb(mostly), and have a light drink now and then (still not smoking).

[daveymag]

Originally posted by Timmee
Should it be legalized? I'm unsure of this subject. On one hand, I feel that MJ is harmful, but I also feel that it MAY be the only way to stop drug related violence (robberies, shootouts, and other attacks).

Now as you probably know, I'm pro-legalization. However, I believe that the legalization of mj will not drastically reduce the amount of robberies, shootouts, and other attacks as usually that stuff doesn't occur with mj as much as with the stronger drugs like cocaine, heroin and such. Seriously though, if everyone in the world was able to have an opinion, yet be as open minded as Timmee, the world would be a better place indeed.

[Conine]

Originally posted by FutureMagOwner
also it seems like people mostly seem to think the damage comes from smoke, if so what about brownies? they dont have smoke in them... i think??

Correct, you don't involve carcinogens if you ingest.

There are some people who will ingest because they don't want to damage their lungs in any way. The reason most don't is because there is a delayed effect when you ingest. It might take 30-120 minutes for the high to kick in, and it usually lasts longer. When you smoke you generally control how high you get, but when you eat, you never know how much it will kick in, so most people tend to smoke to get the ball rolling quicker and to control their high.

Not to say that you can't just ingest, but it generally involves a longer period of committing yourself. That is to say, if you need to drive somewhere in four hours, eating might not be the way to go.

So eating = points for health but less points for control.

[Conine]

Originally posted by Timmee
I have a question for all of the people that smoke MJ. Why do you smoke? Is it to get high? To reduce depression? To reduce physical pain? Is there another reason?

You covered a lot of the bases. Getting high is obviously recreational. There are some who use to reduce depression - I've heard claims in posts that people were about to commit suicide and smoking stopped them. (If that's true or not, you can decide, I only repeat it because it's relevant to what you're asking.) Medicinal users use to reduce physical pain.

A category you didn't mention is to release stress or unwind, something similar to having a beer at the end of the day. I typically use to either release stress (alone) or socially. (recreation/get high)

Most users of my capacity don't find themselves addicted. It's the people that turn to it for depression (I find) that stand the highest chance of developing a mental addiction. I don't see it as a reason to keep it illegal though - frankly, they report that it does the job better than their prescription anti-depressant medication does.

Hope that was informative.