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  • MaChu
    AO's HalfBreed Mix
    • Feb 2003
    • 425

    #61
    The reason I said dual exhaust for the Civic is because he said SHOW CAR, not street racing rice, SHOW CAR. He will get more points if he has dual exhaust to fill in the gap on the left side because it will look better. Now on to the import vs domestic thing.

    I myself want a daily driver car that is also nimble, thats why I like imports. They are easier on the gas guzzling, fun to drive, and with some subtle exterior and interior changes look very clean and agressive. I myself am not a fan of too outrageous kits such as Blitz, Buddy Club, etc. I just like the look of a lip, some side skirts and a rear that is simple with no rims larger than 17in, anything above is just crazy. Its the new look for a new time in tuning popularity. Back in the day it was American Muscle now its 4 banging imports. Am I looking for the fastest car? No. Im looking for a good all around car that is also a little fast. Yes. Versatility is the name of the game now. Thats why hatchbacks are gaining popularity. Thats why four bangers have an edge on domestics is because its an all around good car with features that catch the new audience. May not be the fastest granted, and people who say they that they are the fastest are getting a little bit too cocky unless they are running nitrous, turbo, etc, but then they take out the versatility of the car and stooped down to the level of JUST racing*theres nothing wrong with that either*.

    But imports also have some advantages else where. Sure you can eat imports in a line, but how bout turns? Miata will own you on that due to its size and weight. Ever try drifting in a Camaro? Don't think so, S13 240sx with its near perfect weight distribution just slides away. And then there are the imports that keep up with domestics in a line and in turns. RX-7, Supra TT, 300zxTT, Skyline, etc.

    But there is a down side to this new time. RICE. There is a point where it has gone into a little of abstract modern art with too much stuff going on in terms of looks. Or done cheaply also making it look like trash. RICE. Where it is all show, no go, and a cocky attitude behind it because of a huge wing. These are what make the real tuners look bad, and its sad that its popular.

    But then I have to turn around and enjoy the roar of a V8 as it pulls away from the line leaving things in the dust and a cloud of white smoke coming from the tires. Also the classic stylings of the Classic American Muscle, Shelby Mustangs, Camaro SS, Chevelle, Novas, Baracudas, Dusters all of them look bad ***. You get this intoxicating feeling of joy as you control this 300-500 ci block of power.

    But again that is in a different time, things change, and kids like the customization and new look of imports these days.

    And Ive lost my train of thought aka as ranting and Im hungry. Peace.
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    • ForgedSpeed
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      • Nov 2002
      • 165

      #62
      Originally posted by MicrOMag


      Wrong answer.

      Without a doubt, unless you're dropping some serious money into a 4 banger, a domestic will own it. Check any track times, domestics will always have the fastest. The weight to power/torque ratio with domestics is normally very favorable in comparison with imports. ...with just a few bolt ons and the normally I/H/E they can usually be pretty fast and run 12-13's easily. Mustangs, Camaro SS's, Trans Ams, Fire Birds, Corvettes, etc., etc. all have the potential to be 'fast' cars for cheap.

      If speed is your game buy a domestic. If you like the challenge of tuning and have the money then go with an import.


      ...oh yeah and my .02 cents... upgrade the turbos on the rx7 if u're going to mod it, there's no point to putting a v8 in it, that takes completely from what the car is 'supposed to be' by going away from the rotary engine. they're great if you can tune them

      You are comparing 30 thousand dollars mustang gts, z28s, 40,000 dollar corvettes to cars that cost 20k tops. Mustang gt runs a 14.0 flat. Z-28 is good for 13.2. Corvettes are good for high 12s. Try comparing them to some 30k 4 bangers - the Sti and Evo. Both cars are AWD, good for low LOW 13s, possibly high 12s. The Evo is one of THE best braking and handling cars out. Also, since they are both turbocharged and - in the case of the evo - a proven powerplant - add a 30 dollar boost controller and your good for some even lower numbers.

      EDIT: Turbo rotarys are horribly unreliable - rather, dont't live long. NA rotarys do however. Only turbo rotarys were the third gen, and second gen turbo IIs. Rotarys are very very hard to get worked on (need a SPECIFIC rotarty mechanic)

      EDIT 2: new Civic si's can be had for 14k/15k. They will pull at .91 on the skidpad, and have the K series engine. The best 4 banger for modding to date. Many rxs ownwers are putting down 240 dyno proven hp with bolt-ons (and a hondata computer)

      EDIT3: This all makes me look like I am an "import guy" when infact, I love domestics -well, correcting 93 and up fbodys and current corvettes. As a general rule, nothing else can brake, corner, or keep its interior components glued on.

      Also, I/H/E is pretty expensive on v8s...close to if not 1k. About the same price as most DIY turbo kits
      Last edited by ForgedSpeed; 06-24-2003, 10:54 AM.
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      • Cha0tic
        g0t mag?
        • Feb 2001
        • 1990

        #63
        i think we need to add a rule to the AO rule list....

        -no car threads, as they make for the biggest cluster____(insert word here) and worst arguements.

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        • MicrOMag
          Registered User
          • Oct 2001
          • 318

          #64
          Originally posted by Zumina


          I'd like to see that in print

          About a 14.3 it would run.
          Well, Like a Fat Girl Playing DodgeBall...I'm out.

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          • MicrOMag
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            • Oct 2001
            • 318

            #65
            "But imports also have some advantages else where. Sure you can eat imports in a line, but how bout turns? Miata will own you on that due to its size and weight. Ever try drifting in a Camaro? Don't think so, S13 240sx with its near perfect weight distribution just slides away. And then there are the imports that keep up with domestics in a line and in turns. RX-7, Supra TT, 300zxTT, Skyline, etc. "


            Disagree on this point. Domestics can go through the turns as good as most/any imports. Look at the supra and a vette...their going prices new aren't very far off of each other and the vette would eat it anywhere it went. Mustangs and camaros can also handle very well. If you look at the g's that the miata is rated at I bet its not much better than any other *good* domestic, its just known for handling because of its near perfect 50/50 weight distribution....other cars are 50/50 or almost that point as whell tho.

            If you want speed then go with domestic. If you enjoy tuning go with an import.
            Well, Like a Fat Girl Playing DodgeBall...I'm out.

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            • MicrOMag
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              • Oct 2001
              • 318

              #66
              Originally posted by ForgedSpeed



              You are comparing 30 thousand dollars mustang gts, z28s, 40,000 dollar corvettes to cars that cost 20k tops. Mustang gt runs a 14.0 flat. Z-28 is good for 13.2. Corvettes are good for high 12s. Try comparing them to some 30k 4 bangers - the Sti and Evo. Both cars are AWD, good for low LOW 13s, possibly high 12s. The Evo is one of THE best braking and handling cars out. Also, since they are both turbocharged and - in the case of the evo - a proven powerplant - add a 30 dollar boost controller and your good for some even lower numbers.

              EDIT: Turbo rotarys are horribly unreliable - rather, dont't live long. NA rotarys do however. Only turbo rotarys were the third gen, and second gen turbo IIs. Rotarys are very very hard to get worked on (need a SPECIFIC rotarty mechanic)

              EDIT 2: new Civic si's can be had for 14k/15k. They will pull at .91 on the skidpad, and have the K series engine. The best 4 banger for modding to date. Many rxs ownwers are putting down 240 dyno proven hp with bolt-ons (and a hondata computer)

              EDIT3: This all makes me look like I am an "import guy" when infact, I love domestics -well, correcting 93 and up fbodys and current corvettes. As a general rule, nothing else can brake, corner, or keep its interior components glued on.

              Also, I/H/E is pretty expensive on v8s...close to if not 1k. About the same price as most DIY turbo kits
              K series = ****. B and H series = good for modding IMO.

              I said the turbo rotary was nice if you could tune it, which it is.

              Mustangs could be had cheaply as well that would own a civic, stock vs stock.

              By the time you get the import up to the class of the domestic you're going to be paying the same amount of money practically for numbers that may not even be as good. plus its just built on a weaker foundation.


              btw i drive a honda del sol...so i'm not an import hater either
              Well, Like a Fat Girl Playing DodgeBall...I'm out.

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              • ForgedSpeed
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                • Nov 2002
                • 165

                #67
                Corrvettes, esp the z06 are AWESOME ALL-AROUND sports cars, the *best* bang for the buck (z06). It has almost become an industry benchmark. The camaro (RIP) was the same way. IT was awesome, and could handle and brake too.

                The mustang - no. Its on a 1979 fairlane chassis. Owners that modify their cars first do underbody braces. This car cant handle for its life (compared to other sports cars). It has horrible chassis flex.
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                • ForgedSpeed
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                  • Nov 2002
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                  #68
                  Originally posted by MicrOMag


                  K series = ****. B and H series = good for modding IMO.

                  I said the turbo rotary was nice if you could tune it, which it is.

                  Mustangs could be had cheaply as well that would own a civic, stock vs stock.

                  By the time you get the import up to the class of the domestic you're going to be paying the same amount of money practically for numbers that may not even be as good. plus its just built on a weaker foundation.


                  btw i drive a honda del sol...so i'm not an import hater either
                  K= ****? Wtf? I have lost all respect for you now.

                  It is well known this it is THE best honda engine to date. Even s2k owners are wanting one. The s2k has 200 ground hp stock, but with anything short of FI - you arent going to get 10 hp modding it. The K series engine own the b series and h series, they are old with roots in the early 90s...
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                  • MicrOMag
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                    • Oct 2001
                    • 318

                    #69
                    Originally posted by ForgedSpeed


                    K= ****? Wtf? I have lost all respect for you now.

                    It is well known this it is THE best honda engine to date. Even s2k owners are wanting one. The s2k has 200 ground hp stock, but with anything short of FI - you arent going to get 10 hp modding it. The K series engine own the b series and h series, they are old with roots in the early 90s...
                    Talk to any person who does honda swaps. b18c [gsr] = most desireable engine.

                    the s2k owners want a diff engine because it may put 200hp down but the torque numbers aren't that impressive at all. Its a honda, you have to rev to 8.5k to get some power. ...and if you run a honda thats fast chances are you're either dropping some serious cash into boring an engine and building it or by using FI.


                    oh yeah and for the guy who said about a turbo kit being 1k before, most turbo kits for hondas even if they're junkyard kits are around 2k
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                    • MicrOMag
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                      • Oct 2001
                      • 318

                      #70
                      Originally posted by ForgedSpeed
                      Corrvettes, esp the z06 are AWESOME ALL-AROUND sports cars, the *best* bang for the buck (z06). It has almost become an industry benchmark. The camaro (RIP) was the same way. IT was awesome, and could handle and brake too.

                      The mustang - no. Its on a 1979 fairlane chassis. Owners that modify their cars first do underbody braces. This car cant handle for its life (compared to other sports cars). It has horrible chassis flex.
                      I disagree, my friend's '90 LX fox body handles pretty friggin sick and I think he just has two cheap upgraded sway bars
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                      • ForgedSpeed
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                        • Nov 2002
                        • 165

                        #71
                        K series have not been around long enough to gain all the aftermarket support as the b series, not as many swap "kits" are made, and the engines are more expensive. The swap is also more complex.

                        Actually, s2000 owners love their cars - and their engines. They just are distgruntled that you can't mod them worth ****. (Those that feel the need to mod that is)

                        Pleanty of people have non intercooled turbo kits for under 1k. Mostly the turbo setup off of dsms...

                        The greddy SOHC kit is around 1900 bucks (I think), non intercooled.

                        And, despite what you "think" your buddies lx handles like - and that is "feels" quick in the corners. Test and track numbers tell an entirely different story.
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                        • MicrOMag
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                          • Oct 2001
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                          #72
                          Originally posted by ForgedSpeed
                          K series have not been around long enough to gain all the aftermarket support as the b series, not as many swap "kits" are made, and the engines are more expensive. The swap is also more complex.

                          Actually, s2000 owners love their cars - and their engines. They just are distgruntled that you can't mod them worth ****. (Those that feel the need to mod that is)

                          Pleanty of people have non intercooled turbo kits for under 1k. Mostly the turbo setup off of dsms...

                          The greddy SOHC kit is around 1900 bucks (I think), non intercooled.
                          who wants a SOHC kit... I don't really see the point of turboing a SOHC engine. Swap a DOHC in then turbo, much more potential.

                          Like I said the B series is the most popular engine to date, the K series is growing and they're starting to make more kits but its no where near as popular as the B series. For this day in time unless you're rolling in it [in which case you probably wouldn't be driving a honda anyway] get a B or H series engine and go from there. There's so many kits and upgrades for the b18c engine that its ridiculous


                          ...and if you took it to the track you'd be suprised at the numbers, i hate to break it to you.
                          Well, Like a Fat Girl Playing DodgeBall...I'm out.

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                          • Cha0tic
                            g0t mag?
                            • Feb 2001
                            • 1990

                            #73
                            can i just ask what kind of cars you guys own?

                            i own a mazda6s, which is by NO means a racing car lol. its a family sedan, and it runs high 14's, bone stock.

                            im getting hold of an old miata late this summer to start turning into an auto cross car. should be nice.

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                            • .bolink
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                              • Feb 2003
                              • 440

                              #74
                              I drive a 79 El Camino with a 305. Has potential but as is you can measure my QM with an hourglass.

                              However my dad drives a 95 Impalla SS. It has the LT1 engine and gives you quite a ride.

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                              • Zumina
                                What Are You Looking At?
                                • Jan 2001
                                • 2081

                                #75
                                Originally posted by MicrOMag



                                About a 14.3 it would run.
                                Allow me to clarify, I would like to see that statement endorsed by a reputable magazine or professional, not some punk kid conjuring up a line of crap.
                                Shoot it like you stole it!

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