downloading rant - warning it's large!

[Vash02]

The thing that pisses me off is that some of those artists have 16 cars and a 6 million dollar house with a tennis court and 35 rooms. Why do they deserve all that money when all they do is sing and occasionaly tour? If they knew what a real job payed then they would stop moaning about getting money from their cd's.

Same with sports stars. Way overpayed for playing a game. Why dont i get played for playing paintball?!

[InfinatyBPS]

Originally posted by Eric Cartman

People haven't had too much to say about legitimate legal downloading. If Legitimate download services get up and running, will any of you consider using them?

You seemed to ignore my views on legit dling services...

My view is, unless they let your hear the whole song first, and they have pretty much any song you can find on Kazza(I have found tons of rare songs on Kazaa that I couldn't get anywhere else) and songs are reasonably prices($.25 seems fair) and there is a way you can buy without a credit or debit card, mabe like have a credit system, send in $10, and you get 40 downloads worth of credit, then after you download 40, you gotta send in more money. Otherwise I wouldn't use it. I have recently aquired a copy of the new white stripes CD from a friend, and I was thinking about buying this CD(thats pretty rare with me) but after hearing it there are only like 4 good songs out of it that I actualy like, so I'm glad I didn't buy it.

[MagMan5446]

Originally posted by Vash02

Same with sports stars. Way overpayed for playing a game.

Entirely different thing. They aren't selling anything but tickets. What they're paid is up to the owner.

[Pokaris]

Complaining about some one abusing the Recording industry is like complaining about some abusing Hitler. They lost a price fixing lawsuit. They had to pay a settlement because they were found guilty. Has the price of CDs dropped? Oh no, they continue to do what they feel like because apparently its the only industry in the country that would rather be in a courtroom than making money.

Like was stated earlier when you can pay a REASONABLE fee like a quarter to download a song it might be worth doing. If they only have to produce one digital copy it there shouldnt be some atrocious production cost, but the RIAA always finds someway to tack something on dont they?

Finally you call this theft. If I steal your car do you still have it?

[FutureMagOwner]

i have a question for all you people who download music. do you also get free cable(via black box, a spliter, whatever)? do you steal internet access? do you hack other computers to get credit card info? most of you will say no to all of these but guess what its the same basic thing and is illegal. hey he still has cable/internet and now i get it for free whats the harm? hey he still has his credit card why would he care if i use it to buy things?

its funny how you people keep saying cds cost too much because a it costs blah blah to do make this part of the package and this much to make that part but you never think about the fact that there is the people you have to pay to: 1. make the cds 2. manage the people that make the cds 3. the ones who deliver the cds 4. the ones who do press related things 5. the stores themselves have to make a profit and 6 and 7. the owners of the companies and the artists themselves.

#7 is the smallest cost out of all of that because most of the time millions of cds are sold and that pays off the muscian in the first week depending on the cds popularity. and over time the cd price starts to go down as it becomes less popular(or same popularity just most people have it) which covers 1-5 and somewhat #6. the highest cost comes from #'s 2-5 so by cutting costs on cds it hurts them not the muscians not the big wigs and they certainly arent going to make less money then it costs for the materials of the cd itself. so when you start stealing music guess what happens? the #2-4's lose their jobs #5 stores go outta business however #6 will make the same amount of money because hes the one in control and #7 will because they will always make that ammount of money or else they will goto another company that will give it to them.

[Eric Cartman]

Well at least you have a nice, job, house, kids, car, wife, and healthcare.

Starbase, can you please give me directions to my house? I'm gettin' the hell outr of my apartment and I'm not paying any more rent if i've got a house. Is my wife hot? I sure hope so. I also hope my kids aren't brats. The health care and the job I knew about, but the rest is news to me!

$.30 ~ CD and the image on the CD.
$.80 ~ the jewel case
$1.00 ~ the booklet and all printing in the jewel case

Wow are you serious? Who's doing this stuff this cheaply? We'll use them if those are the prices! But seriously, you're not too far off on the cd & jewel box, but the graphics are getting more expensive every day. As soon as you start adding in pantone colours and foil or vinly, the packaging costs go way up, and everyone seems to want to move to fancier packaging (no matter how much of a pain in the *** it is. Don't forget that we sell the Cd at a little above cost to s sub distributor. They then mark the Cd up and sell it to a retailer who then marks it up and sells it to you. These mark ups are where most of the cost of the CD comes from. Knowing this definitely makes downloading more attractive, just do it legitimatley

because hes a preppy turd burglar

LOL!

Complaining about some one abusing the Recording industry is like complaining about some abusing Hitler.

Yes you're correct. The record industry is exactly like Hitler. They have the blood of hundreds of thousands on their hands. I've said it before, cut out the bloody Nazi references and grow the hell up!!! Go rent Schindler's list and watch the whole thing very closely. Then thank whatever God you may believe in that you never had to face anything like that. I have absolutely no idea why the mods don't come down on this nonsense. Damn that's offensive!

Many of you have made remarks about being able to sample tracks before paying for them./ This seems perfectly reasonable and I believe that this will be provided with the new service as well as different speed downloads and different formats. As far as payment methods go, I imagine it will be done with credit cards and paypal etc. I would also like to see a credit type of payment method as mentioned by InfinatyBPS.

As far as downloading rare or hard to find tracks goes, I don't think that the sharing of these tracks is a big deal. Most of these tracks have been digitized by individuals rather than companies and they don't amount to very much. What's hurting us is the mainstream stuff that isn't selling because it's been stolen (yes Pokaris, it is theft, that's what copyrights are all about. It's not the same as auto theft, but it is theft. You can bet your *** that if you made an exact copy of the mustang and started selling them or even giving them away, Ford would be on you like white on rice).

Again, thanks for the comments!

[Eric Cartman]

FutureMagOwner, beautiful last post, I couldn't have said it better.

Peace.

[ShooterJM]

Originally posted by Eric Cartman

What's hurting us is the mainstream stuff that isn't selling because it's been stolen (yes Pokaris, it is theft, that's what copyrights are all about. It's not the same as auto theft, but it is theft. You can bet your *** that if you made an exact copy of the mustang and started selling them or even giving them away, Ford would be on you like white on rice).

Again, thanks for the comments!

Actually copyright or trademark violation is different then theft. In your scenario Ford couldn't sue for theft.

[AngelBoy]

OK, now were all just repeating stuff. So from all the posts Ive about determined that if there is a service that is cheap, flexible, and has millions of songs, then most people will use it.

Or, heres another way, make cds in tiny cases with no book and no real fancy cd graphics. If people are complaining about the price of cds, and your saying that the main cost is the graphics and the books/cases (all the non-music stuff), then cut all that crap out and just give us the music. We buy cds for MUSIC, not graphics. The way it is now anyways is most people have a blank cd with the bands name written on there with a Sharpie, so just start putting out cds like that.

There are so many better ways of going about getting what money they deserve (and yes, they do deserve it) than sueing everybody.

[Eric Cartman]

Angelboy, I'd like nothing better than to offer a no frills type of package like you mentioned, unfortunately there is an attitude (which I feel is incorrect) that fancy packaging will be attractive to consumers. This way, if you download, you don't get the luxury of all of the fancy little pictures and other special packaging (which frequently means that the things won't fit properly in your CD racks). I strongly disagree with this. I hate all of the extra packaging and stickers and I know that this just drives up the price. I hope that the industry realizes this soon, but I'm not holding my breath.

Actually copyright or trademark violation is different then theft. In your scenario Ford couldn't sue for theft.

You're absolutely correct, it would be copyright enfringement not theft, but copyright infringement is basically stealing someone else's idea, or an idea that someone else owns the rights to. All in all I think the concept is the same. If you take or make copies of something that doesn't belong to you, I'll call it theft. Others will of course disagree, as is their right.

OK, now were all just repeating stuff.

True enough. Probably time to let this die now.

[Pokaris]

As the music insider I'd like you to defend why the RIAA has lost a price fixing lawsuit if they are so legit and being taking advantage of by these nasty downloaders as you would lead us to believe. The court system found them guilty of taking extra money out of my pocket for no reason and you want me to feel guilty for returning the favor, sorry I'm gonna treat you like you treat me.


I think you need to wake up and realize that you're involved in an industry that is more than willing to sacrifice its own to put dollars in the pockets of those at the top. At this point they're just trying to end up in court.

[Eric Cartman]

Pokaris, my apologies for the tone of my earlier post. The Nazi thing just really gets me going.

I have no defense for the RIAA. As I've said, we have nothing to do with them.

Just because RIAA's out of line doesn't excuse the theft.

As I said before, we here in Canada have nothng to do with the RIAA suits. We've got CRIA up here and I doubt they've got the resources to start the kind of legal campaign that RIAA has.

And as for the industry...

That's the last I have to say.

Peace.

[Pokaris]

Again you call it theft. Amazing how fast the industry brain washed you all to do that. If I get punched by someone can I start claiming they murdered me? That's exactly what you're doing, taking one crime and calling it something harsher to make it sound worse.

If you join the mob you're probably gonna end up dealing with mobsters. If you participate in an industry that screws people, you're probably gonna get screwed. Find a new line of work if you're unhappy with the one you're in.

Peace

[FutureMagOwner]

if you read what i had said youd realize that it is stealing. its the same thing as stealing cable, or internet access, or getting someones credit card number and using it

[Pokaris]

Originally posted by FutureMagOwner
if you read what i had said youd realize that it is stealing. its the same thing as stealing cable, or internet access, or getting someones credit card number and using it

Sorry, but NO. See I'm gonna go with what the law says, versus what some guy on the internet forum says.

If you care to test this theory. I say the speed limit in town is now 120 mph. Go test that out and let me know how it works out for ya.