Apple G5 is BS!!!

[i like tictacs]

http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/

[cphilip]

Hahahahaha.... good read. I heard of this guy before. He dazzles you with facts but so do they. Fact is he is partly right AND partly wrong. And so are they. Its all a matter of who you want to believe and who's tests you want to use to prove it. Fact is they all can demonstrate theirs is faster then the other under the right curcumstances. Always have done this.

The G5 is plenty fast... trust me. In running its applications it is faster in it's own environment than any other is at this moment. In running something foriegn and strange it will not be. Always has been that way. With all of em.

[DukeNukem1287]

Heh thats one good report on the G5, but it really does not concern me that much cause umm i am never going to buy a Mac

but ya it does depend on who u want to belive, i dont really like Apple so i am going with that guys report on the G5

[cphilip]

Originally posted by DukeNukem1287
but ya it does depend on who u want to belive, i dont really like Apple so i am going with that guys report on the G5

Actualy his report is as flawed as his detractors he quotes. But the ones that realy shot him a good one do not show up. He is pretty well known as a hater and manipulator. And what he wants is exactly what you said. Its like a Mag Cocker debate. You chose to side with what you like... not always the facts. And you chose the facts you like to prove your choice.

[DukeNukem1287]

Originally posted by cphilip



And what he wants is exactly what you said. Its like a Mag Cocker debate. You chose to side with what you like... not always the facts. And you chose the facts you like to prove your choice.

Very true, thats how it is with a lot of things in life.
Lot of people dont really want to know the truth and only want to go with what best suits there opinions on the subject of matter, even if they know that lots of the facts are incorrect. Guess i am one of em

[cphilip]

When it comes to computers and performance the truth is a moving target! Maybe there is no "truth"

[lopxtc]

Unfortunately most manufactures tweak their hardware when they run performance testing ... look at the nVidia/ATI driver fiasco that I believe is still going on ...

Either way, yes its a fast machine ... wish I could afford one ... till then I will stick with my dual 800 G4 Cube thats enough Mac for my need.


Aaron

[Tron]

Originally posted by cphilip
Hahahahaha.... good read. I heard of this guy before. He dazzles you with facts but so do they. Fact is he is partly right AND partly wrong. And so are they. Its all a matter of who you want to believe and who's tests you want to use to prove it. Fact is they all can demonstrate theirs is faster then the other under the right curcumstances. Always have done this.

The G5 is plenty fast... trust me. In running its applications it is faster in it's own environment than any other is at this moment. In running something foriegn and strange it will not be. Always has been that way. With all of em.

Weren't you the guy who just spent $5,000 on a mac?

-Tron

[Hexis]

I'm a PC geek and a gamer, so I'm way into the PC world. I don't own a mac, and never have. Just to give you my point of referance.

I have read this guy's complaints about the testing methods, and Apple's response.

Basicly it boils down to there is nothing a single benchmark can tell you with high accuracy and precision. There are too many varibles when the architecture is so different. The only real thing you can do is an series of Application tests. In those the G5 is screaming.

Could I run Half-Life 2 on a G5? Nope.

Could I run Photoshop, Illustrator, Final Cut, Shake, and others on a G5? Yep. Will they beat the performance of a PC? From the looks of things, yes.

Do I want a G5? Yep. Can I afford one? (lemme check my lottery tickets... darn) Nope.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Tron


Weren't you the guy who just spent $5,000 on a mac?

-Tron

Actualy I bought one for work with THEIR money. We have two of them coming. And yea its was close to 5 grand all together. We have a good number of Macs here in the department. Lots of G4's so far. And lots of Intell stuff too. So we get to use them all side by side. So far all the Macs outperform the IBM based ones Ghz per Ghz in most office and graphic applications. Just using opening perception and all. Nothing scientific. But they all perform well enough to do most anything we need to do. Thats realy the point. Our Mac server does the best against our Dell server as well. We have always found them to be solid equipment and up to the task. Pricey but good stuff.

Hexis makes the best point. They are screaming fast. These guys are arguing apples and oranges (I made a pun!) They are hard to compair in similar testing because of the very different architecture. In fact this guy complains they did not test them the same. When in fact the CANNOT test them the same. He tries to indicate its deciept when it fact is not possible to do it the way he wants. And if he is as smart as he thinks he is then he should know that.

They are not Gaming machines at all. I would not recommend one for that application. Just no one realy writing games for them is the main thing. They could perform well in that area they just do not attract enough game writing interest due to the lower sales for the time spent.

[Linx]

i like tictacs..... read this

http://www.appleturns.com/scene/?id=4036

Being an Apple Technician I may be a bit biased toward Apple.

I received an internal Apple e-mail that defended the benchmarks. Apple deliberatly had an outside source test these computers, (both the Macs and PCs) to avoid some of the negitive feedback.

As claimed by Apple they tested the computers as fairly as possible. They used a standard GCC compiler because it was standard fair for both platforms. Yes, the PC would have scored higher if they used Intels compiler....but if Apple had spent years writting their own compiler I'm sure they could have made a compiler that would have given them much better #s too. The point of the test was to try and "level the playing field". They even went as far as enabling, and disabling features when testing the PCs to get the fastest times using the GCC compiler.

Also note that the "top of the line" PC that they tested was over $4000. While the "top of the line" Mac was $1000 less.

Now I know plenty of PC people hate Macs, but how many have actually given them a try? I'm not talking 5-10 years ago...I mean in the last 2-3 years. To most of my customers speed is not really an issue...what you can do with the computer is the issue.

Remeber that Apple makes both it's hardware and OS, as well as a lot of their own software. Then look at PCs. Everyone and their brother makes hardware and software for them. This keeps the costs down, but also makes it hard to keep the bugs out.

When someone writes a program for a PC they have to worry about various sound cards, graphics cards, CPUs, etc. Which can be 1 of 1000+ different combinations. This makes it hard to troubleshoot all of the potential bugs that their program may encounter. To me this hurts the over-all reliability of the computer and OS. It would be kind of like if you had a Ford Tauras with a Mazda engine, GM transmission, and Chrysler fuel injection. While your neighbor had a Ford Taurus with a Nissan engine, Subaru transsmision, and Honda fuel injection.
Don't you think it would be tough for Ford to have an ECU (engine managment) that would work well with all possible combinations?

Now I'm not saying that PC hardware is bad...it's just too uncontrolled. Which makes it tough to have a stable OS and software. I have used Windows enough in my life that I can honestly say "I don't do Windows". It is too clumsy, crash prone, and much of the software is not user friendly.

I doubt that I have changed anyones minds on the matter, but pease don't knock it till you try it.

O' and have fun on the side of the road with your Ford Taurus, as I pass you by with my BMW G5....errr I mean M5.

[Barsoom]

lol nice ne linx very nice well i used to use apples when i was in like 5th grade LMAO havent used one in like 5+years so maybe i'll try one out ive wanted to test the G5 ever since i saw the commercial now yes you have linx you changed my mind i want to try them out see if i like it better then windows sounds like a pretty decent system