Back to School time...so take this with you...

[steveg]

Anyone else appreciating the ironic fact that this was posted
by a government employee working for the agency that
spends more than half of your (federal)tax dollars every year.

That agency is of course acting in the collective interest
of the entire group (the USA)

[aaron_mag]

Originally posted by steveg
Anyone else appreciating the ironic fact that this was posted
by a government employee working for the agency that
spends more than half of your (federal)tax dollars every year.

That agency is of course acting in the collective interest
of the entire group (the USA)

Of course I noted that! To point that out, however, would hardly be sporting. Besides I once worked for the Army Corps of Engineers and hence know that government employees are entitled to their opinion on government spending....

[Restola]

Originally posted by than205
*applause*

While I'll agree with shartley that everyone's opinions (of success) will vary at some level, I love reading ideas that I can agree with written in a format many people can understand (if they wish to).

[Restola]

Originally posted by steveg
Anyone else appreciating the ironic fact that this was posted
by a government employee working for the agency that
spends more than half of your (federal)tax dollars every year.

You're talking about the US military. Well we will always have a military. It's one of the few things even those who are farthest right agree we must have (it's role is, of course, always up for debate).

I would say there is no irony here. You may want to brush up on your stereotypes however.

[hitech]

Originally posted by shartley
This man is one of the saddest men I have "seen" in a while. And anyone who follows his total train of thought, and ideas on "things", may indeed became "successful", but they would indubitably have failed in LIFE?. or at least at what is most important in life...

That is more or less what I was thinking when I read it. I feel sorry for those who have no reason to rush home after work.

All that talk about individuals and opposing group mentality. Then in the next breath he lumps most people into a group (liberal vs conservatives). Kind of hypocritical if you ask me.

[steveg]

"You may want to brush up on your stereotypes however"

hey Restola throw my a bone here, I haven't a clue what you
mean by that

[rdb123]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Back to School time...so take this with you...

Originally posted by aaron_mag


First off I AM in the stupid highest tax bracket! I'm no Bill Gates of course. I'm in that vague "middle to upper middle class" group where a good deal of the tax burden falls. Would I like to see that reversed? Of course but only to some degree.

First off your idea of people only paying a fixed amount is a really bad idea because the truth is the wealthier you are the more you benefit from having a cohesive society. After all how much wealth could any of us attain if there was anarchy?

Lets take a really simple example. I have some rental properties (both commercial and residential). Lets say that one day they decide not to pay and just keep on living there. Luckily for me I can call upon society and have the police throw them out (admittedly after going through some stressful red tape). We won't even get into how I have benefited from having a stable banking system in place that allowed me to leverage and buy the darn things in the first place.

I have no problem with tax restructuring. I have no problem with cutting government waste (and yes I recognize there is waste) What pisses me off is when "the wealthy" whine and moan that "the government" is taking their justly earned money. Well try to earn that living in a place like Liberia. They want to act like they owe nothing of their success to our wonderous society....well they do!

My parents are both in that bracket as well. I'm not trying to flame, but when you first posted, it seemed like you were around the 15-30% bracket (no offense intended) and were just sour that some people make more than you. Thanks for clarifying it though, you brought up some good points as well.

This was in no way intended to flame.

[aaron_mag]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Back to School time...so take this with you...

Originally posted by rdb123
My parents are both in that bracket as well. I'm not trying to flame, but when you first posted, it seemed like you were around the 15-30% bracket (no offense intended) and were just sour that some people make more than you. Thanks for clarifying it though, you brought up some good points as well.

This was in no way intended to flame.

First off I'd say it really doesn't matter what bracket you are in. In this country we are entitled to our opinion. I'm by no means rich a fact that I realize everytime I appraise a facility for an owner (who are extremely rich). I have no problem with the fact that they are more wealthy than myself. Many of them worked very hard and took alot of risks to get what they have today. The best ones, however, realize that having things like strong schools and living wages for people equals a strong economy where they can thrive. The ones I have less respect for want to suck all the money into themselves not realizing that in the end it is totally self destructive.

Just my opinion....

[Jack_Dubious]

^^^^^^^ The beachball that would be bouncing around the graduates during the commencement speech.

[than205]

Originally posted by Jack_Dubious


^^^^^^^ The beachball that would be bouncing around the graduates during the commencement speech.

Jdub - You Rock!!!

[gam-e]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Back to School time...so take this with you...

Originally posted by aaron_mag


I have no problem with tax restructuring. I have no problem with cutting government waste (and yes I recognize there is waste) What pisses me off is when "the wealthy" whine and moan that "the government" is taking their justly earned money. Well try to earn that living in a place like Liberia. They want to act like they owe nothing of their success to our wonderous society....well they do!

This isn't Libera so don't compare it to that. We don't follow their ideals and we don't have the same system of government so thats just completely worthless.

Your parents are in the highest tax bracket huh? Do you work son? I do, and i tell you what, every time i see the money that is deducted from my paycheck i wince. Why? Not because i wouldn't give to charity anyway, quite the opposite, i donate lots of money, i BELIEVE in giving to the needy, but on that same token, i wont give a bum a dollar when he asks for money to buy bread. Ill go buy him a loaf so he can't get booze or something like that. im digressing, back to my point, the government takes money that you work for (maybe not you, because you can't appreciate that yet.)

The fact is, yep, a rich man doesn't owe a damn thing to anybody else at all. Not to say thats the right thing to do but it should be considered a truth. I hate welfare, I hate Medicare and Medicade, and i hate Social Security. I trust myself to manage MY money that I WORK FOR before i trust the government to "fairly" divvy it up amongs the populace. People need to take some damn responsibilty with their money and not count on the government to bail them out in their old age. I love my grandmother and my parents, and i personally would pay for them if they came into need, but i dont want to be giving my money to them through the government, because they get so much less than i could have originally been able to give them.

[Restola]

Originally posted by steveg
hey Restola throw my a bone here, I haven't a clue what you
mean by that

oh i was just
stating that you said it was ironic that a military person would post
something pro-conservatism, when its actually the liberals that
hate the military.

[Marek]

That was a good read. It's almost appropriate since I just graduated and about to start working. There are a lot of things in this world that are still a mystery, even after college. But it was a good stepping stone and I wouldn't trade it for the world.

Posted by hitech
That is more or less what I was thinking when I read it. I feel sorry for those who have no reason to rush home after work.

Why? Not everyone is family oriented as you seem to be. Some people consider advancement in their careers over a family. They want to be famous in their career, or have a prestigious job as compared to a wife and kids. I know a buddy of mine from college that doesn't want to get married and wants to write articles for Criminal Justice. I don't agree with it, but that seems to make him happy.

I am not against this, as I love being with my family, but not all people are like that, and that doesn't mean that something is wrong with them.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Marek
Why? Not everyone is family oriented as you seem to be. Some people consider advancement in their careers over a family. They want to be famous in their career, or have a prestigious job as compared to a wife and kids. I know a buddy of mine from college that doesn't want to get married and wants to write articles for Criminal Justice. I don't agree with it, but that seems to make him happy.

I am not against this, as I love being with my family, but not all people are like that, and that doesn't mean that something is wrong with them.

[Marek]

Originally posted by shartley

Like all aluminum CNC Tubas for the AGD Polka Band.