Silly Amish ...

[Pokaris]

Originally posted by Heat
actually the guy that was killed wansn't even amish. He was a menonite. And amish don't shun tecnology, they just refuse to OWN anything they don't make. My granpa often gives them rides into town and lets them borrow his phone.
Also from what I understand it was a town tradition that kids would throw tomatos at cars every year this has been going on for a while.

BUT


If you are that much of a moron to keep doing it AFTER some one tells you he doesn't like it.. .then yeah, I believe he in suvival or the fittest. What a idiot sheeesh

First let me say don't try and grasp the Amish because there is actually a lot to it. There are varying levels of Amish. Conservative Amish do shun technology, and it has nothing to do with what they can and can't make, hence they have blacksmiths and such. Then on the other side there are "Beachy" Amish and they drive cars. I've lived by Kalona, IA all my life and still dont get it. But saying one thing applies to all Amish usually isnt the case. As far as I know Mennonites dont have any technology restrictions though.

Now, this guy drove past multiple times, to aggitate the situation. If they do catch him, hes going in for Murder 1 because he was stupid enough to make several passes before making his attack. Anyone who thinks that a few tomatoes hitting their car is justifiable homocide, I can only hope you're never on a jury.

[bornl33t]

ermmm, welp, I'll be standing infront of your house tomorow chucking tomatos everytime you drive by.... see what you think about it... You don't happen to own a nice vette or anything do ya?
Before you let loose on me let me explain. If you've ever owned a car you liked, you'll know what throwing stuff... even out of tradition, at cars is just plain dumb. Last winter my car was hit by a snow ball. I came to a screeching halt and jumped out only to see the kids run away. Little brats were laughing till I jumped out.

And about the amish. I wasn't trying to understand them, don't think I could if I wanted to. But your right, just like most religions there are veriing degrees of commitment.

Either way it sounds like they were both handing out. So I don't feel sorry for the kid ( it's a crying shame ) nor will I feel sorry for the guy if/when he's caught. Just make sure YOU teach YOUR kids not to do that. Does everyone at least agree with me they need to teach their own kids not to throw tomatos at cars?

[JEDI]

Re: .

Originally posted by pntblr2k
Actually mister JEDI "you wouldnt have to aim much at all" you would have to aim at close range. the further the shot travels the more it spreads, from close range you'd have to aim at the person. and also JEDI they do have someone else to blame besides themselves, you get a tomatoe thrown at your car so you kill a guy thats a litte extreme the shooter had to be a damn fool to pull a stunt like that.

What are you, Mr. Wizard? Is this science class? It was a shot gun. All I stated was that the story never said he shot blindly into the corn feild. He probably did aim. Regardless though, with a shot gun, you have a better chance of hitting someone no matter what the range being that the shot spreads.

And like a said, I dont condone the shooting, or think it was rational, but in this sick world, if you don't want trouble, don't invite it. Just because it was a "traditional prank" doesn't take the blame off the tomato chuckers. Shooting was very extreme, but I wouldn't be surprised if instead, the guy jumped out, chased someone down, and bloodied his face damn good. Thats what I would do.

[ShooterJM]

Not too bright for a 23 yr old. Guess stupidity does hurt.

Feel sorry for his family though.

[FalconGuy016]

I wouldnt throw things at a car after being told repeatidly not too, and not only that... to death threats. However, shooting into the field was not the answer on the driver's side either... a lose lose situation. Id just haev run after them with a bat, or at the very LEAST shoot into the AIR.

[RobAGD]

You know if people would consider the reaction of others when they do things, we would not have the problem we see today.

They should not have been throwing things at the car, the ower reacted to THAT. If his car had not been pelted with rotten tomatos that kid would still be alive, BUT he made the rather poor dissision to pelt cars with fruit and veggies ( depends on how you catagorize tomatos ).

Cause and effect deal with what you cause.

-Robert

Something to think about. If you knew that if you did something wrong and the punishment would be 5 to 10 licks with a rattan cane in a public square would that deture you from doing it ?

[TransMan]

wonder if we will see a decline in tomato throwing next year... i think there should be some sort of study...

[Pokaris]

Originally posted by Heat
ermmm, welp, I'll be standing infront of your house tomorow chucking tomatos everytime you drive by.... see what you think about it... You don't happen to own a nice vette or anything do ya?
Before you let loose on me let me explain. If you've ever owned a car you liked, you'll know what throwing stuff... even out of tradition, at cars is just plain dumb. Last winter my car was hit by a snow ball. I came to a screeching halt and jumped out only to see the kids run away. Little brats were laughing till I jumped out.

And about the amish. I wasn't trying to understand them, don't think I could if I wanted to. But your right, just like most religions there are veriing degrees of commitment.

Either way it sounds like they were both handing out. So I don't feel sorry for the kid ( it's a crying shame ) nor will I feel sorry for the guy if/when he's caught. Just make sure YOU teach YOUR kids not to do that. Does everyone at least agree with me they need to teach their own kids not to throw tomatos at cars?

Funny you should mention it, but I do own a ZR1 vette(well half my dad owns the other half). You know what I'd do if Amish kids hit it with tomatoes? Go wash it. I thought you're the one teaching summer Bible Camp and you get worked up over material poccessions?

There are communities where pranks just happen that are tradition and getting all worked up over them isnt going to stop them. My house will be TPed every damn homecoming, and I don't think the appropriate response is shooting someone. Its a prank, it can be cleaned up, shooting someone with a shotgun is not even a remotely sane solution. You think murder vs criminal mischief is both handing it out? That's like saying we should nuke Saudi Arabia because a lot of the hijackers came from there, they aren't remotely on the same level.

Finally, kids are pretty much immune to the law, deal with it. You touch a minor because he snowballed your car, have fun in jail when their parents sue you. I'm not saying that's right, but that is how the system is.

[trev_pbller]

Um, No. Sorry, if my vette or my dad's other cars that have any value at all got pelted with tomatoes, I wouldn't just go wash it off. I don't think you would either. If a kid threw tomatoes at a 60k dollar car, he would seriously pay. Especially if any damage was done. So your telling me I could walk up to your ZR1 and just lob a couple tomatoes at it and walk away?

Trev

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Pokaris

we should nuke Saudi Arabia because a lot of the hijackers came from there

Okay, if you insist. I'll agree with you!

[Pokaris]

Originally posted by trev_pbller
Um, No. Sorry, if my vette or my dad's other cars that have any value at all got pelted with tomatoes, I wouldn't just go wash it off. I don't think you would either. If a kid threw tomatoes at a 60k dollar car, he would seriously pay. Especially if any damage was done. So your telling me I could walk up to your ZR1 and just lob a couple tomatoes at it and walk away?

Trev

That's what I said isnt it? You might want to work on your reading comprehension. What are you going to do to a kid? Like I said there's a good chance if you touch him you're gonna end up in court, is a $10 car wash or going to court the more sensible solution. You might try calling the cops, but I doubt they are gonna devote a lot of time into petty vandalism investigation.

[trev_pbller]

No, I actually can read pretty good. No matter what, 10$ car wash or court fees, no one gets away with that. This guy wasn't a kid though, was he? 23 I believe? Over 16,18,21 isn't he? Although yes I agree, the cops aren't going to do a thing. Personal satisfaction and persuation I guess is the only reason I would pursue the kid who pelted my car. Again, its only an opinion.

Trev

[UltimatePaintballer]

yea heard about that, not cool

[bornl33t]

well, I'm not sure what VBS has to do with material posesions. And I had no intension on laying any hands on any minors, even though I did want to speak with their parents. But it wasn't THAT important that I would run after them. And I owned a very nice mustang for several years, I park it at the way back of the parking lot cause I didn't want me to puposly door the car, just because it's nice and they don't own it.

And to top it off, this was a small town, there was more then likly no drive in car wash so who knows what it would have taken to get the tomato off his car and we all know tomatos are acidic. They will leave a stain if not washed off promptly.

[Rooster]

"Finally, kids are pretty much immune to the law, deal with it. "

And yet they don't seem to be immune to a shotgun blast. You do something stupid like that, and you better be ready to pay a price. While shooting someone becuase they hit you with a tomato isn't quite right, I feel no sympathy for this fool. They had four chances to stop, and they didn't. Hopefully these stupid kids think about getting shot before they try something similar again.