Ninth Circuit court of Appeals Vs. California Democracy

[Collegeboy]

The problem with the punch machines is in most of them the lines of the punch do not line up with the lines of the card. So you could in essence you are trying to vote for Bob, when in reality you are voting for Steve.

This is just one of the problems that Florida ran into.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
The problem with the punch machines is in most of them the lines of the punch do not line up with the lines of the card. So you could in essence you are trying to vote for Bob, when in reality you are voting for Steve.

This is just one of the problems that Florida ran into.

Don't try to play that tired crap!

Palm Beach county is very affluent. The DEMOCRATIC elections commisioner designed a piss poor ballet that people were too stupid to read carefully! That is where the confusion came in!

[Albinonewt]

The problem is that not everything is the same everywhere. And any time there is any kind of difference anywhere people will use that difference and exploit it towards their own goal. For the ACLU their goal is to keep a corrupt governor in power that will throw state money at them. And to that end they will exploit this difference to try to keep him in power.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
The problem with the punch machines is in most of them the lines of the punch do not line up with the lines of the card. So you could in essence you are trying to vote for Bob, when in reality you are voting for Steve.

This is just one of the problems that Florida ran into.

And who's responsibility is it to make sure after you've punched the holes in the card that they're where they're supposed to be?

See, with the right to vote goes this dirty little word liberals worldwide hate....


RESPONSIBILITY.

It's the VOTERS job to make sure the vote is correct.

Not the election official. Not the stinking anti American ACLU. Not the Democratic party nor the Republicans.

The VOTER. PERIOD.

[einhander619]

Don't know about the voting machines, personally I think an IQ test should be administered before people can register to vote, but that's just me Anyways, I hope the Cali recall doesn't happen, just because I think that Cali needs to live with their mistake and hopefully learn something from it, and next time actually put some thought into who they are voting for.

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife


And who's responsibility is it to make sure after you've punched the holes in the card that they're where they're supposed to be?

See, with the right to vote goes this dirty little word liberals worldwide hate....


RESPONSIBILITY.

It's the VOTERS job to make sure the vote is correct.

Not the election official. Not the stinking anti American ACLU. Not the Democratic party nor the Republicans.

The VOTER. PERIOD.

So if you see the hole that says Steve and you punch it, and it votes for Bob, then that is somehow your falt?

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


So if you see the hole that says Steve and you punch it, and it votes for Bob, then that is somehow your falt?

Yeah it really is. I've seen the ballots, they are not put together wrong as you are suggesting, you just need to follow the lines and pay attention. It just requires a little more care when voting then the newer systems.

And if a person voting can't take the extra second to follow the line then I don't care what they have to say about who should be in charge anyway.

[1stdeadeye]

There is no idiot proof ballot! There has to be some responsibility on the part of the voter.

You know, why don't you invent the Idiot proof ballet CB and I guarantee you that the voters will spawn a more powerfull idiot to screw it up!

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
You know, why don't you invent the Idiot proof ballet CB and I guarantee you that the voters will spawn a more powerfull idiot to screw it up!

hehe too true

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by einhander619
Don't know about the voting machines, personally I think an IQ test should be administered before people can register to vote, but that's just me

Not legal. The south used to use literacy tests to prevent blacks from voting.

The right to vote is fundamental to all citizens. Even morons have rights. The true idiots are the ones who do not vote!

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


So if you see the hole that says Steve and you punch it, and it votes for Bob, then that is somehow your falt?

I hope to god you never vote.


I'll explain this so even you understand.

When you punch the card, and if it's WRONG, you DO NOT TURN IT IN.

How goddamned hard is that? You go to the election official and tell them there's a problem.

Is this so effing hard that you retards that are crying about punchcards can't get it right?

If that's the case then you should be voting, you aren't smart enough to even know wtf is going on.

[Collegeboy]

I don't know what punch cards you use, but the ones I voted on wouldn't allow me to see who the marks went to. You put them into a preset punch thing. And you punch a hole through the perforated holes as the form tells you. You hand in a form with holes in it and no idea if your hole is correct. Then the machines judges who you voted for by what light passes through.

So tell me how one can know if they voted correctly if the punch form or whatever is wrong and out of date.

[Albinonewt]

That sounds nothing like the punch voting I saw. I doubt that there is NO WAY to confirm your vote, but now I'm curious.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
I don't know what punch cards you use, but the ones I voted on wouldn't allow me to see who the marks went to. You put them into a preset punch thing. And you punch a hole through the perforated holes as the form tells you. You hand in a form with holes in it and no idea if your hole is correct. Then the machines judges who you voted for by what light passes through.

So tell me how one can know if they voted correctly if the punch form or whatever is wrong and out of date.

Horsecrap.

It STILL does NOT absolve ANYONE from their responisbility of making sure they have voted correctly.

If you even SUSPECTED that you've made a mistake why would you then turn the card in and cry about it later?

this all sounds way too complicated for you, just leave the voting to the adults who take it seriously.

[1stdeadeye]

The Florida Ballet was very straightforward. The name could be corrolated to the hole easy. The Democrats who controlled the Palm Beach Election Commission ASSUMED that voters would be smart enough to see this and of course, they were not.

We use optical scanners here in Gloucester County, NJ. They may be simpler, but they are set up to allow block voting. One button for all Dems, Reps, etc... Talk about looking for party sheep! Not a great system either as far as I am concerned.