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[Albinonewt]

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Some people just don't think before they do stuff.

[Collegeboy]

Some people are just too sensitive and too PC.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Collegeboy
Some people are just too sensitive and too PC.

Well, I wouldn't wave the Nazi flag at a football game, where the context of the piece is completely lost. In the musical there's a clear context for it so everyone can understand why they're doing it. At a football game it is too easily misunderstood to be something that it isn't, so I wouldn't have done it.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Albinonewt


Well, I wouldn't wave the Nazi flag at a football game, where the context of the piece is completely lost. In the musical there's a clear context for it so everyone can understand why they're doing it. At a football game it is too easily misunderstood to be something that it isn't, so I wouldn't have done it.

[1stdeadeye]

It was a football game for pete's sake!

The fans weren't booing the flags or music, they were booing the music department's attempt to teach history during a sporting event!

[Curly]

Originally posted by shartley

The japanese did not kill 6 million jews.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Curly
The japanese did not kill 6 million jews.

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by shartley


But the Holocause was basically the super bowl of evil for the entire century, and as such it illicits a more emotional response then "garden variety evil"

I think this is all about PC and nothing more, but selective PC at that.

I'm not a big fan of PC, but with Nazism and the Holocaust I think it better to err on the side of caution.



I don't think the piece was the problem at all, it was just the flag. I think if they had played the music alone they wouldn't have had a problem. I think it was just the flag.

[Steelrat]

No, the Japanese killed 11 Million Chinese.

[shartley]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Albinonewt

Originally posted by shartley


But the Holocause was basically the super bowl of evil for the entire century, and as such it illicits a more emotional response then "garden variety evil"

I think this is all about PC and nothing more, but selective PC at that.

I'm not a big fan of PC, but with Nazism and the Holocaust I think it better to err on the side of caution.



I don't think the piece was the problem at all, it was just the flag. I think if they had played the music alone they wouldn't have had a problem. I think it was just the flag.

[Steelrat]

I agree with Shartley on this one. The Japanese did some horrible stuff during WWII, and their country still has a harder time accepting what they did than Germany. Do a little research on stuff like their human experimentation or the "Rape of Nanking."

[Curly]

Actually, I do know about the atrocities that the japanase committed against the chinese. I guess i didnt make my point clear earlier.

I think there is a difference in how people percieve Japan as a nation, then how they view what was nazi germany. When you see a nazi flag, your first inclination is to think about the holocaust, expiriments etc that they conducted. When you see a japanese flag I highly doubt that this is the first thing to come to mind, much like if you were to see the current german flag.

This is why I think that the nazi flag got the response it did, and why no one responded to the japanese flag.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Curly
Actually, I do know about the atrocities that the japanase committed against the chinese. I guess i didnt make my point clear earlier.

I think there is a difference in how people percieve Japan as a nation, then how they view what was nazi germany. When you see a nazi flag, your first inclination is to think about the holocaust, expiriments etc that they conducted. When you see a japanese flag I highly doubt that this is the first thing to come to mind, much like if you were to see the current german flag.

This is why I think that the nazi flag got the response it did, and why no one responded to the japanese flag.

[Curly]

I never disagreed with you, I was merely commenting on why people would have boo'd the nazi flag as opposed to the japanese one.

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by shartley


I'm not taking anything away from what the Japanese did, but when we talk about the people killed by the Nazis we don't count the actual casaulties of the war or the run of the mill attrocities when the took land. Of course that was all horrible, for both the Japanese as well as the Nazis, but I think most people chalk that up to standard war crimes, which although brutal, they are not genocide.

Maybe it is that the American people in general are ignorant? Maybe it is more PC to act as if only the Nazis committed atrocities because they did so against people who more closely fit the color and features of the average white European or white American, as opposed to the atrocities committed against Asians?

You're forgetting something else, that the Nazi party and flag basically only existed for WWII, which means historically it existed only for an evil purpose and it only did evil while it was in existance. Japan and the Japanese flag however have a lot more history behind it then the Nazi party. Japan has a rich cutural history to which the attrocities in WWII are only a part. The Nazi flag existed just to conquer the world and commit the Holocaust.



I think not being offended at the Japanese flag is simply because it doesn't stand solely for evil. The Japanese now aren't the same Japanese of 60 years ago. It's just not the same thing anymore, so the offense is gone. The Nazi party has not become a major trading partner of the US and a liberal democracy like Japan, so the anger and the offense is still there