What's this? Gun laws don't save lives......

[ERut]

Originally posted by fire1811
gun control is irrelevent if your wacko enough to want a person dead your going to find a way gun or not.

Thats why you get a gun, to cap the wacko first!

[xrancid_milkx]

Gun laws only affect law obeying citizens, pretty much the responable gun owners.

Criminals (or soon to be criminals) completely bypass these laws, which in turn will cause more to be passed, which in turn makes even harder for us responsible citizens to obtain a firearm. This is why I hate most liberials when it comes to this subject.

[Miscue]

I like the idea of excommunication instead of execution, the loss of US citizenship. Then, you make a deal with a 3rd world country with human rights laws that do not parallel the US... to accept them as a citizen of their country and hold them as a prisoner for less money than keeping them in the US.

Some place really cold... where nobody speaks English... maybe near a coal mine or something.

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Collegeboy
What’s this capital punishment does not decrease murders!

Not the way we do it it sure doesn't. We need to either step up how much we use it or scrap it. It's ineffective the way it is.

So I guess the conservatives will have to fund and create there own think tank to come up with lies about how it does, so they can go on to believe in what they do.

If used effectivly it almost certainly would work. But, it isn't.


Lets be consistent here.
I am not for the controlling of all guns, just some.

Which ones, the ones that fire bullets?


Why in the US do we have the highest murder tolls in the world in the developed countries? We do not have the most guns per person; we do not have the most people. So why?

We don't
Murder stats

[Albinonewt]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Collegeboy
[B]

Then alot more innocents will die.

How do you figure? Net net a lot more innocents will live. If you take the murdersers off the street for good and manage to reduce the rate of murder that's people that will live. But some people may be executed incorrectly. However, the overturn rate on capital cases is pretty low, and getting lower every year with DNA evidence and the like.

IDE, what is the rate of murderers killing people once they are in jail for life, and stay in until they die?

A) We all know that no small number of murders get out at some point (albet typically far into the future)
B) It lacks the same detterent for his friends if they can't talk to him anymore because they just watched him take a needle and die.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Miscue
I like the idea of excommunication instead of execution, the loss of US citizenship.

Nah, then they could just move to California and get a Driver's License from Gray Davis. :)

[fire1811]

Originally posted by ERut


Thats why you get a gun, to cap the wacko first!

lol
this is why i have 17 guns

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by Albinonewt


Nah, then they could just move to California and get a Driver's License from Gray Davis. :)

LOL!

[CasingBill]

I'm not reading this entire post. We have had this discussion before. Anyway check out England. This is the kind of stuff that goes on now.

check out england

[LIGHTEMUP]

Originally posted by Ultimator
I think Chris Rock (the comedian) has the right idea. In one of his stand-up specials, he proposes the idea that everyone should be allowed to own a gun, but charge $1000 per bullet. That way when some guy steps on your shoe or something stupid you'll pull out your gun but you'll say "Wait a minute ... I might need that $1000 bullet for some other time."

edit:

haha i saw that

that guy must have really deserved it then he has 25,000 in bullets in him

[Konigballer]

Albinonewt I think captitol punishment is useless because for it to "work" would mean you would have to slaughter enough criminals to actually make someone on the street fearfull for his own life before comitting a crime. Most criminals are pretty stupid. I think that a criminal would have to know a LOT of people who've died in jail before he would actually decide not to commit a crime. That would be a lot of killin' and I think that would make us a little too similar to nazi germany, communist russia, etc who had VERY low amounts of crime, by citizens not the government of course, cause they liquidated criminals so efficiently and on such a great scale. Once the government got started, were would it end? I think it would be easy for poloticians to try to extend that kind of punishment to lesser sentences like manslaughter if their was a great sucess with quick capitol punishment and a drastic reduction of crime within their own states.

[stondroopy]

I hope this doesnt hurt me by saying this.I am an ex-felon,I have lost my right to own a firearm.I wish I could have back.It would not be a problem for me to get any sort of firearm.Gun laws dont protect law abiding citizens,it puts them at risk.just my 2 cents about that.
As far as just killing the killers,I think there is a lil more to it.Ever been in a fist fight?what if you killed him, you hit em the wrong spot or to hard, or knocked him out and bangs his head on concrete or sharp something or other?Are you a cold blooded killer?Or did you make a mistake?im not yelling at anyone,you all have made very good points :)

[Konigballer]

"Your Honor his throat ran into my fist, there was nothing I could do.":)

[stondroopy]

lol

[Albinonewt]

Konig:

I think you're missing the impact on those not yet into the life of crime that are considering it. There really is no such thing as an overnight solution to society's major problems. But, if growing up, you see 2/3's of the neighborhoods drug pushers/murders executed you start think that $6 an hour stocking shelves could be a lot worse.