Most unpopular man in Chicago...

[UltimatePaintballer]

i just gotta ask, is this photoshopped, look at the fat guys hand on alou, it looks um fake like alou should be there. idk, it probably isn't but meh. To say something, the guy had all right for the ball, its a foul so alou doesn't need to go for it, if he wants to fight the fans for an out, thats his desicion.

[Johnny_Reb]

Come on kevin you cant say you wouldnt have done the same thing. From where he was sitting he couldnt have seen Alou coming, and the fan himself appologized for what he did and said that he wouldnt have done it had he seen Moises coming. I just dont see how you could blame this guy for that. I mean what are the chances of getting a playoff ball? Look at the pic, if it wasnt him it wouldve been somone else.

The Chicago Sun-Times realesed his name and personal information and supposedly he was offered an oceanview house in Florda, along with free steaks, martinis, and water taxis. Check espn.com they have alot of articles about this topic.

No UP it isnt photoshopped.

[Restola]

I am now convinced everyone here feels they all know exactly what everyone else would have done and how everything would have effected everything else.

With your immense forsight, you all should devote your time to something more profitable...like the lottery.

[cphilip]

Well I think the thing to remember here is that under the current rules of baseball the fans and that stands are a legal hazard of the field. Just like a Umpire, Rear wall, base or even a dug out. These things get in the way and they are just inanimate objects that figure into the play. Natural hazards of the field.

In this case the fans surged into an area that is legal and that they are sitting in. Nothing is garanteed. Its a part of the game. If it had hit a ref or he had collided with a trash can the results are the same. Foul ball. Now you can debate that all you want. But its a historic part of the game. You could change the rule that if it's over the wall of the stands it's an automaticaly a foul ball but then that would be the same result as did happen here. The guy is not even looking to see if the player can or cannot make a play. He doesn't have too. He is part of the game field. No other fans there are looking either. They want a series ball! Its theirs to get!

And its Alou's difficulty and challenge to make a play regardless of them...or not. It's not his right to make it in the stands without impedence of those fans. Not at all! Those are the rules. They may not be perfect but then again the fan involvment is there for a reason. It's encouraged to try and get one. No one looks and thinks about the play on the field once its a ball up for grabs. Right or wrong that the way it is. He did what any of us would do and if you count carefully what another 40 or so people were trying to do. Within the rules. And without even noticing the player on the field had not given up on it. They not even looking because they do not have to. They not playing. They paid to watch and maybe get a foul ball.

If you want to make fans clear out of the stands every time a foul ball comes there way then good luck with that. Someone is going to get trampled. The only thing you COULD do is change the rule to make that an automatic foul ball. And then the results are the same. A team cannot blame something that happened within the rules for the results of its further play. The out was not thier right by rule. The out was only going to be gathered with extrodinary effort. And it did not happen. And no one broke any rules so its a legitimate event that the rules are designed to allow.

I know your disapointed and I sympathise. But the team has to be able to play ball without worrying about one foul ball. That is not the game in itself. It was lost on so many other levels that this one seems awfully petty.

[kevinkills99]

Originally posted by cphilip
Well I think the thing to remember here is that under the current rules of baseball the fans and that stands are a legal hazard of the field. Just like a Umpire, Rear wall, base or even a dug out. These things get in the way and they are just inanimate objects that figure into the play. Natural hazards of the field.

In this case the fans surged into an area that is legal and that they are sitting in. Nothing is garanteed. Its a part of the game. If it had hit a ref or he had collided with a trash can the results are the same. Foul ball. Now you can debate that all you want. But its a historic part of the game. You could change the rule that if it's over the wall of the stands it's an automaticaly a foul ball but then that would be the same result as did happen here. The guy is not even looking to see if the player can or cannot make a play. He doesn't have too. He is part of the game field. No other fans there are looking either. They want a series ball! Its theirs to get!

And its Alou's difficulty and challenge to make a play regardless of them...or not. It's not his right to make it in the stands without impedence of those fans. Not at all! Those are the rules. They may not be perfect but then again the fan involvment is there for a reason. It's encouraged to try and get one. No one looks and thinks about the play on the field once its a ball up for grabs. Right or wrong that the way it is. He did what any of us would do and if you count carefully what another 40 or so people were trying to do. Within the rules. And without even noticing the player on the field had not given up on it. They not even looking because they do not have to. They not playing. They paid to watch and maybe get a foul ball.

If you want to make fans clear out of the stands every time a foul ball comes there way then good luck with that. Someone is going to get trampled. The only thing you COULD do is change the rule to make that an automatic foul ball. And then the results are the same. A team cannot blame something that happened within the rules for the results of its further play. The out was not thier right by rule. The out was only going to be gathered with extrodinary effort. And it did not happen. And no one broke any rules so its a legitimate event that the rules are designed to allow.

I know your disapointed and I sympathise. But the team has to be able to play ball without worrying about one foul ball. That is not the game in itself. It was lost on so many other levels that this one seems awfully petty.

The issue is not whether or not it was "legal" or "against the rules." The issue at hand is what this gentleman did by using his freedom. He didn't have to go after this ball.
From what I can decode from philip's grammar defficient post, it sounds like he wants to add a new rule. That's not going to happen.
I'm too tired to argue this topic anymore, Cubs lost, Marlins are going to the World Series. Better luck next year

[Marek]

Originally posted by Johnny_Reb
The Chicago Sun-Times realesed his name and personal information.....

Why would they do something like that? Journalistic integrity anyone? This is a man's life here, and all just to make a buck. Mistake or not, his life shouldn't be robbed because of this incident. It is now.

[ERut]

I feel SO bad for him.

Howd you like to be the dude that kept the cubs out of the series for the 90whatevereth season? Especially if you're a fan!

[cphilip]

Originally posted by ERut
I feel SO bad for him.

Howd you like to be the dude that kept the cubs out of the series for the 90whatevereth season? Especially if you're a fan!

He reportedly made an appology today and feels terrible. And much as suspected he had no idea Alou was even there nor did he even suspect Alou would even have a play on the ball. He was looking up like everyone else. He is a die hard Cubbie and feels rotten.

He just did what came natural. No way to blame him realy. Anymore than you can blame the other people around him that also got in the way. They didn't realise it either. At least two of them "interfered" (I do not agree with using that word here though) as much as he did. They just didn't end up with the ball. This is just a part of Baseball.

PS: I was rooting for the Cubs last night but alas it was not to be.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by kevinkills99
From what I can decode from philip's grammar defficient post, it sounds like he wants to add a new rule. That's not going to happen.

Ok when logic evades resort to personal snipes.

I don't want that rule. I suggested it might be the only way to interpret it the way you seem to want to. Since you want to consider fans catching foul balls where a field player "might" be able to make a play "interference" . I suggested that if you did make such a rule the outcome would have been the same. But since you take all this personaly you chose to overlook the intent I suppose. And chose to just take a childish swipe at me. This ain't grammer school and no one appointed you the content police either. I am sorry you feel so angered by my counter points that you felt you needed to talk down to me.

End of my input into this.

[Thordic]

I find it ridiculous that Cub's fans are 100% willing to throw player accountability out the window and accept the fact that the team flat out didn't play good enough to win the series, and is going to play ALL the blame on a fan who did what comes naturally to ALL fans, and cost them an out which may or may not have had any effect on the outcome of the series.

Nice job guys.

[dansim]

well after some thought id say screw it, id root to for the fins,sell "the ball that won the penant" on ebay , sell for 1.6 million to a diehard marlins fan, move to the carribein and become a pirate....ArRrRRRrrrrr

[UltimatePaintballer]

yea, i saw the whole thing last night, i guess it isn't photoshopped, but i didn't want the cubs to win so glad he did it.

[peeko]

William "Billy Goat" Sianis

[kevinkills99]

Originally posted by cphilip


Ok when logic evades resort to personal snipes.

I don't want that rule. I suggested it might be the only way to interpret it the way you seem to want to. Since you want to consider fans catching foul balls where a field player "might" be able to make a play "interference" . I suggested that if you did make such a rule the outcome would have been the same. But since you take all this personaly you chose to overlook the intent I suppose. And chose to just take a childish swipe at me. This ain't grammer school and no one appointed you the content police either. I am sorry you feel so angered by my counter points that you felt you needed to talk down to me.

End of my input into this.

Sorry Phil, I'm just angry at their loss. Maybe next year.

[Benfica4ever]

I dont know if this has been posted yet but who weres head phones at a game liek that?..........