z-grips, why? don't read this if you don't want to hear it

[beam]

Hey, stock frames are cheap, and the carbon frame is easy to work with. Someone should try to make a pivotal z-grip out of a stock frame. It would then be easy to reverse the process (maybe) to make an actual z-grip pivotal.

I dunno....just a thought.

[X-Plosive]

I am not to fond of this adjustable z-grip. I will buy 2 z-grips if AGD makes them easier to run with. One in chrome and one in black.

[bofh]

After looking at my stock frames, the trigger rod meets the sear really close (and far back)to the body rail... too close to pivot the grips around that point, which is what would have to be done for this to have a remote chance of working.

A grip like this would never be feasible to make.

But the sear could be extented (re-worked) to be closer to where it would be easier to pivot around it.

I'm going to have to cut out pieces of paper to see if it will even (the poor man's prototype! )

Anyway, could somebody post or e-mail me a picture of a z-grip with the sear in place? Say, air-ed up with the grips off? Pretty please?

[Xzion]

Unfortunatly, the space under the grip panels, and the chamber where the sear sits, isnt connected, and it would be rather tricky getting a pic of how the sear sits with the marker aired up... there isnt any easy way off the top of my head at least :\

[shartley]

More playing....

I threw out any cost issues, and space issues, and went wild. LOL

If the frame was to be made of multiple layers (similar to how the Sears Clench Wrench is constructed but slimmer), it would allow you to stack plates to form the thickness of the frame. It also allows you to have different layers be different patterns. This would allow you to not "pivot" so much as in a moving joint, but SLIDE the grip part up and over the upper right "fixed" part of the frame (as looking at the attached picture). Then when it is all tightened down (using the top grip screw), it forms that strong and stable grip frame.

To get around the trigger guard issue, one might make each bend of the guard stiff jointed. This would make it self adjust as you slide your grip to your desired angle.

As for the trigger... how about going with an electronic trigger? This would allow you to keep the actual working mechanisms "fixed" in the upper part of the frame (the part that does not swing) and be operated by the fixed yet floating electronic trigger. (hope this makes sense) For visual purposes I used a cutout skeleton style trigger.

And since I went the electronic angle, I tossed in a counter. I moved it up to a place that should be easy to glance at while playing, but not be uncomfortable (similar idea to Miscue's fantasy design). I also moved it because the lower swivel threw off good bottom placement. And for those who say.. But what about Lefties? Heck, make a Lefties version. Being it is of composite design, that would be super simple, only the grips need duplication.. with and without the counter window.

Okay, it WILL be a tight fit for all the electronics and parts, BUT those are getting smaller all the time anyway. And since we are just tossing around ideas at this point, why not go for the gusto. And being electronic, it can be set to multiple firing modes as well.

Again, this is all concept... there are problems to work out, but gives a "what if" starting point (thanks to bofh ).

Feedback please....

[bofh]

Shartley,

Clench Wrench, you say.... (must go to Sears and by more thing...) Sounds like an interesting design.

I've also been looking at having the sear tripped by something else... I'm not sure I can fit a solenoid in the non-moving part, since I don't have a tiny solenoid on hand... however, I do have a really small pneumatic ram that's only an inch long with a 1/4 throw. It should fit the space given. So I might be making a "pneu-mag" like Punisher has made.

...must wait for Sears to deliever Work bench and drill
press...

So at what point do we open a new thread for this idea? And what forum would it go in?

[sajohnston]

I only hold onto my Z as the mad rush to own one continues. It is funny all of the Z lovers who are coming out of the closet now to say "make it easier to run with." I go with what I know, for me nothing points more naturally than a conventional grip.

[aNtHrAx323]

I've thought about it, and realized it would be much easier to run with if I just cut off the 2nd finger part of the trigger making it a single finger trigger. Someone else has done it, and I like the idea. I also seem to be able to rip faster on a single finger trigger than a 2x with my ReTro. Kinda strange... if I can buy another Z-Grip trigger, I'll do it.

[SoupRman]

JRSJKD hit the nail on the head on his explanation. pretty much summed it up. i like the idea of the swivel grip.. but it looks like it will cost alot. heh but what can i say, i bought a z-grip, sold it, and bought one again . maybe you can incorporate a removal drop locked by a push pin like i think NW(?) makes. also, when running with the z it does seem like it will be much easier to run with, with only a single trigger on it, by placing yoru index finger in the spot where the bottom trigger is. thats what i do, well i put in the safety and put my index on top of the second trigger.

anyways, you either love it, or you sell it!

[litestab]

z grip

i think everyone that has a Z should post a photo of it here if possible... i think an electronic z grip would sell extremely well anyone agree with me?

[shartley]

Holy Dead Thread resurrection Batman!

[aNtHrAx323]

Jesus Christ, no kidding . Funny this thread should come back to life on my birthday... Weeeeird... Anyway, here's my mag:

[Ityl]

Actually this thread is still useful, just change the Z to a Y