Withholding Information-Removal From Residence?

[spazzed]

I'd definately check out the Housing Contract. Those things are notoriously strict... Hell, they can boot you outta the dorm even if you drink *OFF* campus and come back.

[rmhawk]

[PolishSausage]

Just keep in mind I'm NOT the one whos in trouble..thanks

Seems like a few people are getting on my case here, just wanted to clear that up.

Either way, I was just talking to the disciplnary officer of the school and he said the way I had explained it, which was the best words I could put it in, it sounded as though she lured him into a compromising position by giveing him two choices, give up your friend or get kicked off campus.

He's going to fight it, against my advisement, its a shame the case won't hold water against the administration. However there are quite a few complaints regarding this specific RD. Falsifying reports, black mail(this one I doubt), and hes hoping that those go to show the nature of the RD. Ehh, I'm not touching this one, as much as I'd like to

[PolishSausage]

Re: Too bad

Originally posted by Tunaman
In my opinon everyone who was involved should be punished if stupid enough to get caught. Witholding evidence just messes up our whole justice system. Now the police must do more work, spend more time, and cost US more money. Thanks alot! A true American would be a man and tell the cops everything they need to know. As for the punk that gave out a fake ID, he should get 10 yrs in jail for using an identity that isn't his own. Lowlife scum of the earth....
As I told my own Son, if you idiots would knock off the heavy partying for a few years till you grow up, you will learn some things about responsibility and the law along the way and eventually you WILL see things in a different light. I guarantee you will waste many precious years partying that one day soon you wish you could take back all those wasted years. There is more to life than partying...look around...opportunity is staring you in the face daring you to get your crap together and live life to the fullest. Dont help ruin society...be a part of it. :o

Excellent way to judge me without knowing me. Yeah, I party and have a good time, but Im not dumb enough to get caught, hurt myself or anyone else while doing it. As far as being a part of society...Monday night and most weekends I volunteer MY TIME to ride for the local first-aid squad. I've been an EMT since I was 16 and first aid cert. for 3 years before that. I ride for the Paramedics Unit, normally a paying position, for FREE. But I guess your right, me having some beers with close friends really ruins society.

And this enitre situation has NOTHING to do with the police.

[1stdeadeye]

Dude, it's college. Real world rules don't apply. If they want him gone, he is gone.

Tough to fight that. Better to distance himself.

[shartley]

Originally posted by rmhawk
shartley - We obviously have different opinions. I am an Investigator for the County Public Defender's Office. You are an ex-cop. That is why you "think" it would not hold up in court. I "think" it would. Different sides of the playing field, that's all. You know how it goes. I am definately not trying to argue.

Originally posted by PolishSausage
Either way, I was just talking to the disciplnary officer of the school and he said the way I had explained it, which was the best words I could put it in, it sounded as though she lured him into a compromising position by giveing him two choices, give up your friend or get kicked off campus.

He's going to fight it, against my advisement, its a shame the case won't hold water against the administration. However there are quite a few complaints regarding this specific RD. Falsifying reports, black mail(this one I doubt), and hes hoping that those go to show the nature of the RD. Ehh, I'm not touching this one, as much as I'd like to

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
Dude, it's college. Real world rules don't apply. If they want him gone, he is gone.

Tough to fight that. Better to distance himself.

[Lohman446]

This is the thing, this is a college, make an organized stand against it - make it public, put it in a one sided review in the campus paper.

College is different than anything else - fighting the system against something you feel is not right is fine, it may even be expected.

I personally would not give up the name short of being requested by a member of law enforcement (not campus police). If the law gets involved its a whole new ball game. If it is just the college, challenge it.

Of course I am a horrible person to judge this - I railed against certain rules in college (one being that you had to live on campus X amount of semesters). I beleived and proved this allowed the college to artifically inflate the cost of living, as well as giving money to a private company (when living on campus you were required to purchase a meal plan from a private company that ran the dining halls). I fought this... and lost, the total control that college administration and officials (RDs) feels they must have over an adult is ridiculous. I feel that if its a state funded college they do not have the moral right to the authority they take (as in your case). If it is a legal issue, real police involved, do not fight the system - as for the vast majority of college administrations, they need to learn they are dealing with educating adults, not children.

PS feel free to take issue with what I have said, I know there are supported reasons behind many of the things I did not like about college - and I did take the idea, if you hate it so much leave. I do not regret my own decision because of special circumstances I am in, but most of you out there will lead a much better life by completing college.

[rmhawk]

shartley - Exactly

[PyRo]

Everyone sneeks alchol into the dorms some time or other, and a few get caught, it sucks. Well, alot get caught because apparently here noone knows there limits we have about 3 people a week taken away with alchol poisening or somthing in our dorm. Probably about the same with all 13 other dorms, then the people who pass out on the street or at parties.

[PolishSausage]

Originally posted by shartley

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying my friend is right, in fact I know he was in the wrong. I've had a few experiences with the RD, shes not a BAD person, she just take things a little to seriously. She took my christmas lights away from me when I lined my desk with them. She saw them from the street(My room faces the campus mall), came up wrote me up for a fire violation and took my lights away. Its not directly written in our social code, but she interpreted it to include the lights. I appealed it, won, and got my lights back. It's simple stuff like that she blows way outta proportion. Again, not saying shes a bad person, but it is a fact that she has a lot of write up about her for being unfair and whatnot.

Shartley, I'm not in disagreement with what you've said, in fact I agree with most of what you've said.

[PolishSausage]

Originally posted by shartley

And on this note, I'm in COMPLETE agreement. I've always been a big defender of police and hate it when my fellow students say they hate them. Whats interesting is most of them hate them b/c they were caught doing something wrong. These are also the same people who call them first as soon as the poo hits the fan :P

[cphilip]

Re: Withholding Information-Removal From Residence?

Originally posted by PolishSausage
Here is the situation, my friends got caught drinking in their room last night underage. My one friend didn't have his ID so he gave a false name in hopes of getting away clean. My other friend who he was with was telling some girl about him giving the fake name and our RD overheard him.

She is now claiming that if he doesn't give up his friend he can be removed from residence and forced to live off campus or commute. Is this even legal, sounds like horsepoo to me and if it is illegal, who would I contact about this situation to make it right? Thanks

I bet it's in his housing contract. Illegal conduct and such... And the offer to give information in exchange for non enforcement of that is an offer to NOT go through with the eviction. If he doesn't take it then the contract will be invoked. It's an offer to not take any action on the contract and is beyond the contract. And it is certainly legal to enforce the housing contract.

IF he gives names he should first get it in writing that they will NOT evict him. Because I suspect they can anyway unless....he has something that protects him from that contract in this instance. And addendum as it were for cooperating. You must know that Colleges and University's are cracking down. Cause Mommy's and Daddy's want them to. And they all are very concerned with thier image. And they do not expect moms and dads to pay for a "Party School". Plus if they do not they risk liability

Hey...and change that dam title. It's offensive.

[Zumina]

Given the choice between an M.I.P. and lying to a police officer, I'd take the M.I.P. Usually, if you convince the court you're a decent person and that you've changed your ways, they'll let you off with a warning and a probation period.

[Army]

They got caught drinking underage. Along with being really stupid, that alone can get them removed from housing.

They lied about their identities to whatever authority caught them. Along with being really stupid, that alone can get them removed from housing.

Seems to me, giving up a real name is the least of their worries, but the smartest thing yet to do..

[Restola]

Re: Re: Withholding Information-Removal From Residence?

Originally posted by cphilip
I bet it's in his housing contract. Illegal conduct and such...

If its in my lease (and it is) then I'm sure it's legal in the dorms.

I always thought drinking in the dorms was like shoplifting at the police station...but whatever floats your boat.