Bowling

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by shartley

Now that is what I am talking about. But man the cost of the pins alone would kill me.

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

Originally posted by SlipknotX556
My 12 and 11 year old brothers are like bowling freaks, they are at the bowling lanes like 6 days a week. Its alot of money to bowl.

Yah but bowling is still cheaper than paintball.


And I can't bowl because of my monsterously huge hands.

[Miscue]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


Some people never learn.

Entry angle is important. That is why with a white dot that has an 8 board movement the best place to throw it normally is in between the third and second arrow with a suitcase style hold on the ball. If you get the entry level perfect and you have a light ball it will knock down the pins. But miss the entry point slightly and you will more then likely leave a split for the ball doesn't have the carry through that a 16 pound ball has. The 16 pound ball allows you some room for error. And with the changing conditions of the lanes, room for error is always needed in bowling.

I use a white dot for spare, but for strikes I use one of 7 balls, lane one buzzsaw, Columbia rock star (probably my least favorite for it was the worst one drilled), Columbia extreme chaos (my favorite), icon 300, icon, or wow pearl.

You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about... so don't you correct me. I understand what you are saying, and it is a one-dimensional view point that is incorrect.

A HORRIBLE thing to recommend to someone is to use too much weight. It is also very bad to recommend too light of a weight.

From: http://www.youthbowling.com/ballwt.htm

"The investigation used ten shots that were rolled at quarter-inch offset increments for 0.5 inches to 5.5 inches for a total of 210 shots per entry angle. The two degree angle represents those who roll a minimal hook; the four degree shot represents a 'stroker's' hook; and the six degree entry represents a 'cranker's' hook. Statistical calculations were made to develop "Strike Probability" charts versus weight and angle of entry data. The strike area was computed to include areas which included 70% strikes. The results clearly demonstrate that the width of the strike pocket increases with the entry angle. For example, a 16-pound ball with a six degree entry angle results in a strike pocket 3.25 inches wide. Dropping down in weight to either a 14 or 15-pound ball the strike pocket becomes a little less to about three inches which is only a quarter of an inch less than a 16-pounder. This demonstrates that 14 and 15 pound balls do not give up very much strike-ability and can give nearly the same percentage of strikes as 16-pounders. "

[Miscue]

Originally posted by RRfireblade


Not true,it still must be rolled correctly thus "the bowler", any given ball has only hook potential that may or may not be realized depending on the release.We have a guy in my Monday night league that throws a Duece from the left side and "backs it up" 15-20 boards and it's drilled as a typical right hander.

As far as weight,there is little differance between 14-16.Most higher average bowlers I know,including me ,throw 15lbs max as synthetic lanes combined with reactive balls = to much drive.

And FYI, I carried a 206 average on a sport condition using a 13lb ball(Quantum sage tour)after wrist surgery as that was all I could handle.

Jay.

Well, the ball will move a tad if you kick it down the lane because of the weight block's built-in instability... but this is a moot point.

The issue is whether you can make use of the ball's characteristics to score points. A ball works only as well as the bowler throwing it. To take advantage of higher-end bowling balls requires someone with experience.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by Miscue


The issue is whether you can make use of the ball's characteristics to score points. A ball works only as well as the bowler throwing it. To take advantage of higher-end bowling balls requires someone with experience.

Exactly my point.I've been drilling balls for 10-12 years now and it's hard to get people to understand that.They all want to buy a snap hook and can't understand way it doesn't work that way.

Jay.

[Miscue]

Originally posted by RRfireblade


Exactly my point.I've been drilling balls for 10-12 years now and it's hard to get people to understand that.They all want to buy a snap hook and can't understand way it doesn't work that way.

Jay.

Hehe, yup. I've had people with the same ball as me, ask me why their ball doesn't hook as much as mine. I'd point out how mine is rotating at 45 degrees. "How come mine doesn't do that?" No no no! YOU have to do that!

Higher revs and good ball speed = more skid/more snap. For some reason people don't understand that. And it didn't help them any when these fools bought Quantum Helix's! Most expensive spare ball on Earth...

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by Miscue



Did you have issues with ball selection with a 13lb? If I remember, usually the 13's don't have the fancy weight-blocks.

That's why I picked a Quantum,probably the most advanced ball at the time,they had designed completely different weight blocks for each weighted ball. That thing carried A TON.It was hard giving it up to go heavier but as my strength came back,I was starting to overthrow it.

I'm really concerned now,since my accident,my shoulders in bad shape.I don't know how bad till Thursday when I see the neurologist.I'm afraid to pick up a ball right now.

Fingers crossed.

Jay.

Edit: I actually threw a Helix for a while and liked it,except for it cracking every 2 weeks.My cost on it however,was no where near retail.

[Miscue]

Yeah, and the most freakin' expensive.

I went through the Zone line-up at about that time period... I think Quantums were a little before that though with some overlap.

Then I stuck with Track for a few years... I liked their Hot Coral, but fell in love with the Heat and Elite... I still have one of those in the closet. If I start again I'll have to throw it in the oven and juice it. Then I used Columbia up until I quit playing... impressed with their affordable Messenger line.

I've gone through so many bowling balls... it's ridiculous. One day I'll get my own drill press and get wholesale accounts or something. The goal I set in the back of my mind is to raise my weight to 165 and then I can bowl again, with a lot more strength. Otherwise I'll just get pissed, having already reached what I think to have been my pinnacle.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by Miscue
I've gone through so many bowling balls... it's ridiculous. One day I'll get my own drill press and get wholesale accounts or something.

The only way to go.

I've got a real good friend I helped start a Proshop and can reap some of the benifits from.Otherwise ball whoreing can get a tad expensive.I'm pretty much stuck on Storm stuff right now though.Just drilled up a few new balls I'm really liking so I think they will hold me for a little while.

Jay.

[Lohman446]

Oh yeh... well, umm... I have a bowling ball imported from a company made of three letters in Europe. It has like, an electrourethetic shell on it, thus making it better than all mechanical bowling balls. Furthermore it can tell me the temperature of the air and the lane, allowing me to adjust its reactivity to get past those nasty bowling ball judges and such. So there I'm a better bowler than all y'all.

BTW - I know nothing about bowling, the most fun I have had bowling involved doing it on a lane we bought for a bench (we used it outside as a lane for a day first) at our old house and a .45 pistol .

[Miscue]

Originally posted by RRfireblade

DO buy from a proshop located in a bowling establishment.

DO NOT buy from a off site retailer.

Well, I mentioned that because it worked for me in my particular situation. When I started getting serious with the game, I wasted a couple of years because the proshop guys screwed up my drilling. I was having release problems, and they blamed it on me... and said I was squeezing the ball... and I was beginning to believe it.

Someone on one of my league teams said he had similar issues, and took it to some guy in town and fixed his balls. I went to see him, talked to him for a bit and he was infinitely more helpful than any other proshop guy I had dealt with. He measured my ball, measured my hand, and described to me my release problems before I told him.

The spans were not correct for my hand, nor the pitchs... I had multiple balls drilled by multiple people... each with problems.

Some hands are more difficult than others to properly fit to a ball... mine is one of them. He's trained drillers and I think taught seminars and stuff, stressing physiological differences between different hands and how they need to be accounted for.

So, in my case going outside of a bowling alley to get my stuff drilled was the best thing I did for my game, besides practice. My average quickly went from 150 to 180, and topped out at 190-200 in about a year. But, I suppose it is a matter of finding a talented driller, where ever he might work at.

[Miscue]

Originally posted by RRfireblade



I'm really concerned now,since my accident,my shoulders in bad shape.I don't know how bad till Thursday when I see the neurologist.I'm afraid to pick up a ball right now.

Fingers crossed.

Jay.

Well, I hope that everything works out for you...

[Collegeboy]

Originally posted by Miscue


You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about... so don't you correct me. I understand what you are saying, and it is a one-dimensional view point that is incorrect.

A HORRIBLE thing to recommend to someone is to use too much weight. It is also very bad to recommend too light of a weight.

From: http://www.youthbowling.com/ballwt.htm

"The investigation used ten shots that were rolled at quarter-inch offset increments for 0.5 inches to 5.5 inches for a total of 210 shots per entry angle. The two degree angle represents those who roll a minimal hook; the four degree shot represents a 'stroker's' hook; and the six degree entry represents a 'cranker's' hook. Statistical calculations were made to develop "Strike Probability" charts versus weight and angle of entry data. The strike area was computed to include areas which included 70% strikes. The results clearly demonstrate that the width of the strike pocket increases with the entry angle. For example, a 16-pound ball with a six degree entry angle results in a strike pocket 3.25 inches wide. Dropping down in weight to either a 14 or 15-pound ball the strike pocket becomes a little less to about three inches which is only a quarter of an inch less than a 16-pounder. This demonstrates that 14 and 15 pound balls do not give up very much strike-ability and can give nearly the same percentage of strikes as 16-pounders. "

You just proved my point, thanks.

A heavier ball allows for a greater chance at striking even with mistakes. That is if you can handle the ball.

[Python14]

Holy crap. Other than the few posts that Mr. Kaye makes, I don't think that I've ever seen a technical arguement this heated before.


I suck at bowling, but have fun anyway. I think my average is around 120 or 122

[Miscue]

Originally posted by Collegeboy


You just proved my point, thanks.

A heavier ball allows for a greater chance at striking even with mistakes. That is if you can handle the ball.

Read this again, and again, and again: "This demonstrates that 14 and 15 pound balls do not give up very much strike-ability and can give nearly the same percentage of strikes as 16-pounders."

Note that the difference is negligible. Now, read it again and tell yourself: There is LITTLE difference between the weights. Dolt.

More weight than is comfortable = WAY lower percentage of strikes cuz you aren't even getting it in the pocket very well... versus worthless percentage increase of a 16lb'er that does make it in.