Best Special Forces

[Indigo]

Totally agree with the above post.Rangers were the first US Spec Ops although different from there pre WW2 predicesors they were the building blocks for US Spec Ops of today.

Roughly 85% of DELTA operators are choson from one of the three ranger battalions and or regmental headquarters that should tell you something right there.

[Thordic]

You can call rangers all you want, I don't care where they are classified, IMO they are NOT special forces of the same calibre as the others listed.

And of course Delta draws from Rangers. You have to draw from somewhere, you can't just pick Special Forces out of a hat, and it makes sense to draw them from ADVANCED INFANTRY.

The very fact that Delta takes Rangers and turns them into REAL Special Forces shows you right there that the Rangers are a step down from true Special Forces. SEALs/Delta/SAS/etc all draw from the best of the REGULAR forces to train for their purposes.

[Indigo]

DELTA also picks from SF(Special Forces) aka Green Berets the only unit in the US military with that title other units are Special Operations but i'm not going to go into that.
I'm not going to argue about it just going to give you a couple of links where you can ask that question from people who were or are in that community
or you can go to the other link and ask current and former Rangers that question.

http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/

http://www.armyranger.com

Originally posted by Thordic
You can call rangers all you want, I don't care where they are classified, IMO they are NOT special forces of the same calibre as the others listed.

And of course Delta draws from Rangers. You have to draw from somewhere, you can't just pick Special Forces out of a hat, and it makes sense to draw them from ADVANCED INFANTRY.

The very fact that Delta takes Rangers and turns them into REAL Special Forces shows you right there that the Rangers are a step down from true Special Forces. SEALs/Delta/SAS/etc all draw from the best of the REGULAR forces to train for their purposes.

[dre1919]

Originally posted by Thordic
You can call rangers all you want, I don't care where they are classified, IMO they are NOT special forces of the same calibre as the others listed.

And of course Delta draws from Rangers. You have to draw from somewhere, you can't just pick Special Forces out of a hat, and it makes sense to draw them from ADVANCED INFANTRY.

The very fact that Delta takes Rangers and turns them into REAL Special Forces shows you right there that the Rangers are a step down from true Special Forces. SEALs/Delta/SAS/etc all draw from the best of the REGULAR forces to train for their purposes.

This post makes no sense either. If it's your opinion that Rangers aren't "special forces", than you won't be convinced they are unless you want to be. However, your above comments make no sense. The units you spoke of, Delta, SEALS, SAS et cetera all draw out of Ranger units because they do something entirely different. They don't send Rangers to deal with terrorism. They don't send Green Berets or Marine Recon either. They send the units you listed because that's what they specialize in. You wouldn't send the Delta Force to go do underwater demolitions because you could send the SEALS.

So, if a unit draws people from the Ranger ranks to fill their ranks, it's because they are already highly trained special forces...unconventional warfare soldiers and they want to cross train them in another area. The Delta Force also draws members from the Green Berets too...does that make them a non special force as well? Funny thing is, without the support of the Air Force's Night Stalkers, all of these units would get considerably less done and you didn't even list them. It seems to me like you have a very skewed idea of what "special forces" are and which do what, but whatever. It's your opinion afterall. All I have to go on is fact.

[WangHunter]

Special WHAT THE *POOF*

Hi Guys.

Some of you will remember me from the right piss-up we had at the Knightstalker's range back in August 03... I was the one who did the Steve Irwin impressions all night long and puked righteously after Thordic poured me a Jager funnel....

I remember I spoke to Army that night. Strangely comforting. Didn't know the guy. But I knew he had a perspective. I could talk with the guy, coz he had the same brainwashing I do....

And I gotta say...

First off....

Who the *POOF* made this *POOF* thing up??????

Australian (SASR) and New Zealand (1 NZSASR Sqn) have saved the military Pers of the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave more times than I care to mention.

Why the *POOF* aren't they involved in this little "poll" ???? SASR has a kill ratio in the 20th century which makes Spetznaz look like a bunch of pussies. Do I see THEM mentioned?

Who the *POOF* do you think executed that oh so "publicised" (American Media) rescue of 12 Marines outta a down bird at the battle of Tora Bora??? Who do you think painted the air strikes that turned that battles' tide?

WTF do you think was detaching Pers to leading the Northern Coalition during that campaign? US Special Forces? Definitely. Not to mention a few others who I can't name do to OPSEC and COMSEC. I can confirm due to public record that SASR were there and HOW.

Let's bring it closer to home for you North American folk. Why the *POOF* do you think NO mobile scud missiles that COULD'VE been launched out of Western Iraq at a moments' notice at Israel in the latest Iraq conflict WEREN'T launched at Israel?

Could it be because 21,22 and 23 SAS (UK) and SASR AS WELL AS US Special Forces were operating in that area???? The fact that it wasn't until after the war that their role was at all revealed speaks VOLUMES for anyone who knows wtf is involved in modern warfare with a view towards the way that British and Australian governments treat OPSEC.

You mention 75 RANGER??????

Look, don't get me wrong... I TOLD the peeps at Knightstalkers this who were still a) not passed out and b) interested enough to listen....

The Rangers are OUTSTANDING soldiers.

They are perhaps the most superb conventional military force you will ever meet. They are on a par with British Paras, Gurkhas, and even many third or second world "special forces" groups.

They are not however Special Forces by a 1st world standard. I know this first hand. I'm sorry, but first world SF *POOF* over Rangers. I've SEEN it with my own eyes and I *POOF* you not. They're awesome soldiers. In fact, a Ranger is probably what I apsire in my profession to be like. Well, maybe considering my Corps (RAAC), more like a LAR Marine, but you get the point.

Rangers are NOT SF. To brand them as such demeans SF Soldiers worldwide. I've met, lived with, and trained with a WHOLE bunch of them both here in Australia and in the US. To anyone who might be offended by that statement, well... harsh reality. I suggest you check in with your Q Store staff who can issue you a bag of cement so you can Suck it in and Harden the *POOF* up.

Where are Princess Patricia's Light Infantry in this little be-all-and-end-all questionnairre I might add?

They're at least worth of mention in this "poll". They're the equal or better of units mentioned here.

Which SF unit is the best in the world?

That's like asking which Army is the best in the world... I know plenty of folks from a range of different militaries who will argue resource, training and operational capability issues all day long.

But I'm telling all of you right now. From FIRST HAND, NO *POOF* experience. This Poll's so flawed I didn't even BOTHER voting... I skipped straight to a reply.

I was however extremely disappointed at the fact that since the question was asked, a grevious lack of vision and perspective was displayed in it's presentation....

And for those interested, the Rangers of the American Revolution are NOT recognised by most in the trade as the father of Special Forces. Bruce Catton one of the US's most respected historians on 18th and 19th century America disparages certain units which had the "Ranger" label. Indeed, any student of US militaria pre-1862 will note that they were Rangers, Tigers, Zouaves and "Special" units by the hundred, few worthy of the proficiency we attribute to modern SF (regardless of modern resources).

The most widely recognised precursor to US ARMY Special Forces are the little-recognised "Alamo Scouts" who served with great distinction in the PTO during WW2.

USMC Widely and justly acknowledges USMC Raider and Parachute Battalions as the pre-cursor to their own SF units. Anyone who says "It's listed with a given SF org so it must be true" is misguided. USMC SF, for example, is NOT listed with US JSOC. Doesn't mean that certain USMC Force Recon units aren't worth of the SF rating.

[WangHunter]

By the Way

Thordic's just assured me the above post will earn, if not deletion, a ban of a few days...

You know...?

I don't care.

If whichever 14 year old moderating this forum gets annoyed ever decides to join the military, they'll get a reality check of one of two kinds....

1) The kind handed out by their Basic Training staff....

2) The 7.62mm kind handed out by your enemy because you watched too many war movies.

If I get banned, but said 14 year old learns his/her lesson, then I done my job.

Hi to the gang who puked their guts up at Knightstalker 03....

[MiniMag84]

Originally posted by AllAmericanMag
Spetsnaz, I like the way they do thing...

agreed.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Army
Polands GROM.

Even our SF guys admire the heck out of them. Hardly anyone knew of them until now, as they cleared the Iraqi ports. They've been around for about 15 years, and have been called upon by many countries to do super secret stuff.

They's baaaaad!

Yeah they are.

I'm glad Army mentioned them.

[Albinonewt]

What about the Special Olympics?

Never mind, I see you included the French.


Ick

[1stdeadeye]

Seals are tough and crazy people. My wife's uncle served as one in Vietnam. He has told us stories and shown us scars that made my skin crawl!

The worst scar he has is a bite he received from a VC. After his SEAL team ambushed a VC unit, they were searching the bodies for intel and one VC who was playing dead, took a chunk out of his leg before having his head removed by small arms fire. The scar is freaky, you can see which teeth are missing!

Hey Wan-Hunter, could you drop a few more F-Bombs?

[cphilip]

Re: By the Way

Originally posted by WangHunter
Thordic's just assured me the above post will earn, if not deletion, a ban of a few days...

You know...?

I don't care.

If whichever 14 year old moderating this forum gets annoyed ever decides to join the military, they'll get a reality check of one of two kinds....

Ok well then done. Let alone someone tells you your post is inappropriate and you do nothing about it. You could have edited it. But rather you come back with an attitude and insult someone you don't even know! I mean you don't even get it do you? Before that point all I would have done was cleaned up your post and explained the rules that you were supposed to have read before you came in here. Because you were new I would have been lenient about it. But instead you get all hostile and start flamming Moderators that you have never even delt with! By the way I am 47 years old. And your acting like a 14 year old. Three days so you can grow up and learn how to act around here. And that lenient.

Sent you an email on this. Please honor the ban least you recieve a permanent one if you do not.

[CoFFeY[NiTrO]]

.....MIB?

[AssassN]

I didn't read the whole thread so I dunno if someone already said this but, who are those people that live in the mountains and some country goes and gets them to fight?

I've heard they are pretty good. They are from the Alps or something. They are supposed to be one of the best.

[Jeremizzle]

Delta Force!

[than205]

I worked for a gentleman who served as a Seal in Vietnam.

One of my best friends who went on to special forces in the Army always had the most respect for Seals. For this guy to have said anything like that it always stuck out in my mind.