Muscle Car Guys : 2004 GTO

[Mango]

Originally posted by PyRo
I don't like vettes to much. They arn't that fast compared to alot of other cars, put 2k into a nice Ls1 fbody and you can beat the vettes all day. There are also so many of them around. Get a nice old mopar, or if you must GM.

Oh man....must....resist....arrgggg.....


Ok listen, how can you compare a MODDED LS1 to a STOCK Corvette!??! BE REALISTIC for crying out loud. Ok lets compare an F-body to a Corvette. One car is a good straight line racer, the other is a WORLD CLASS performance touring car that is ALSO a great straight line racer. Put 2K into the same year, ANY YEAR corvette and thier performance numbers will be almost equal if not in the corvettes favor every time.

[AssassN]

Originally posted by SprayingMango



Oh man....must....resist....arrgggg.....


Ok listen, how can you compare a MODDED LS1 to a STOCK Corvette!??! BE REALISTIC for crying out loud. Ok lets compare an F-body to a Corvette. One car is a good straight line racer, the other is a WORLD CLASS performance touring car that is ALSO a great straight line racer. Put 2K into the same year, ANY YEAR corvette and thier performance numbers will be almost equal if not in the corvettes favor every time.

But you still haven't solved the problem of it being a Vette.

[pputkowski]

errr....guys, it's still a Pontiac

[OfficerGoat]

Originally posted by AssassN


Ugh, are you having a midlife crisis? To me vettes are for rich people that know nothing about cars or people having a midlife crisis. Unless you get like a stingray, those are nice.

Hmmm... yes I am having a crisis... right now I am working on purchasing a house so the fastest car I own right now only turns low 13s down the strip and its for sale. So that will leave me with one 13 second convertable... and a beater for the time being. :)

The whole "Its still a Vette" comment proves to me that your an idiot. Personaly I could care less if they called it a freakin pinto. I'm looking for a car that I can drive to work, to california to visit family etc and yet turn around the next weekend and put it on the track... no not the dragstrip but the track.. you know where the corners are. You name me one new car that will meet the above criteria and then take a Vette out on the track for the price....

[Mango]

Originally posted by AssassN


But you still haven't solved the problem of it being a Vette.

What problem is that specifically? That its a performance car that can outperform ANYTHING in its price range? That it competes with Ferraris and Porches almost twice its price? That it is a true American sports car and has a long and proud heritage of being a performance automobile? Why not back up your weak arguments with some facts? If you dont like them then just say you don't but please don't try and attack it with weak empty statements.

[PyRo]

Originally posted by SprayingMango
Put 2K into the same year, ANY YEAR corvette and thier performance numbers will be almost equal if not in the corvettes favor every time.

Not true, alot of older vettes couldn't keep up with a stock camaro SS probably even with 2k in mods.
Some years I think they were rated at 185hp, my 91RS the POS that it is has a chance against that

[PyRo]

Originally posted by OfficerGoat

The whole "Its still a Vette" comment proves to me that your an idiot. Personaly I could care less if they called it a freakin pinto. I'm looking for a car that I can drive to work, to california to visit family etc and yet turn around the next weekend and put it on the track... no not the dragstrip but the track.. you know where the corners are. You name me one new car that will meet the above criteria and then take a Vette out on the track for the price....

A base corvette goes for $44,500 making 350HP, the Z06 starts at $52,385 making 405HP.
Now that I have $45,000 to play around with what would I do? I would buy a car anywhere from $4k up to 10k and put the rest of the money into putting the rest of the money into modifying the car. Your telling me for 35-40 thousand in modifications you cannot build a car thats faster and out handles a vette while still being streetable?

[WickeDKlowN]

Originally posted by SprayingMango


What problem is that specifically? That its a performance car that can outperform ANYTHING in its price range? That it competes with Ferraris and Porches almost twice its price? That it is a true American sports car and has a long and proud heritage of being a performance automobile? Why not back up your weak arguments with some facts? If you dont like them then just say you don't but please don't try and attack it with weak empty statements.

But they're just so... so... FUGLY!

[Mango]

Ok Pyro, lets compare FACTS shall we:

The weakest year for the Corvette was invariably the 1984 Crossfire injection. Every Corvette nut (like myself) knows this to be true. Ok lets look at some NUMBERS:

1984 Camaro Specs and engine options:

1984 Power Teams



RPO
Config
Bhp @ rpm
Torque @ rpm
Induction
C/R
CID/liters
Applications

LQ9
Ohv 4
92 @ 4000
134 @ 2800
TBI
9.0:1
151/2.5
SC*

LC1
Ohv V6
107 @ 4800
145 @ 2100
2-bbl.
8.5:1
173/2.8
B*,SC

LG4
Ohv V8
150 @ 4000
240 @ 2400
4-bbl.
8.6:1
305/5.0
Z*

L69/HO
Ohv V8
190 @ 4800
240 @ 3200
4-bbl.
9.5:1
305/5.0
Z



______________________________________

Now lets look at the Corvetts options for the same year:
FACTORY BASE PRICE- $23,360
PRODUCTION TOTAL- 51,547
CURB WEIGHT lbs- 3088
ENGINE DATA
Displacement- 350 cubic inch V-8
Compression Ratio- 9 to 1
Horsepower- 205
Torque lbs-ft- 290
Fuel Injection- Crossfire
TRANSMISSION- 4+3 speed manual standard. 4 speed automatic
available at no cost.
CHASSIS FEATURES
Wheelbase- 96.2 inches
Overall length- 176.5 inches
Height- 46.7 inches
Width- 71.0 inches
Front Tread- 59.6 inches
Rear Tread- 60.4 inches
Wheel size- 15X8
Tires- 215-65-15 standard and 255-50-16 Gatorbacks optional

[Mango]

Originally posted by PyRo


A base corvette goes for $44,500 making 350HP, the Z06 starts at $52,385 making 405HP.
Now that I have $45,000 to play around with what would I do? I would buy a car anywhere from $4k up to 10k and put the rest of the money into putting the rest of the money into modifying the car. Your telling me for 35-40 thousand in modifications you cannot build a car thats faster and out handles a vette while still being streetable?

omfg, you are comparing a modded CUSTOM car to a STOCK car. I am not doing so. I am comparing STOCK for STOCK. How can you even ARGUE that fact in a sane manner. Obviously anyone can build a custom car for that much. Sheesh man...

[PyRo]

Originally posted by OfficerGoat
The whole "Its still a Vette" comment proves to me that your an idiot. Personaly I could care less if they called it a freakin pinto. I'm looking for a car that I can drive to work, to california to visit family etc and yet turn around the next weekend and put it on the track... no not the dragstrip but the track.. you know where the corners are. You name me one new car that will meet the above criteria and then take a Vette out on the track for the price....

Someone please show me where in here he says a "factory car". Nothing in there says I cannot show come up with a modified car that meets his criteria better than the vette.

[PyRo]

Alright i'm wrong my car doesn't have a chance against the 84 vette (yet) unless the thing is in very bad shape.

Now, why are we comparing the 84 corvette and camaro? Not sure why that came up, there are other cars made to compete with the vette other than the camaro I just used an Ls1 as an example. Actually my last sentence is incorrect. The camaro wasn't made to compete with the corvette. Of course if you compare a camaro and a corvette of any year the vette is more powerfull. Why the hell would they make a camaro have the same or more power and loose sales on the corvette?

[Mango]

Originally posted by PyRo


Someone please show me where in here he says a "factory car". Nothing in there says I cannot show come up with a modified car that meets his criteria better than the vette.

Nice deletion there. I should have quoted your origional post but I'll leave it at that. I was working off of your statements not his post.

Originally posted by PyRo


lets compare a 2000 Z28 to that 1984 Corvette

Yeah lets compare a 1918 Ford to a 2001 Corvette while we're at it. Man...I am done with this thread. I might as well go bang my head against a brick wall.

Originally posted by PyRo


Your telling me for 35-40 thousand in modifications you cannot build a car thats faster and out handles a vette while still being streetable?

No, you said that.

Originally posted by PyRo


Not true, alot of older vettes couldn't keep up with a stock camaro SS probably even with 2k in mods.

I've already proved my point, I'm comparing year for year. Nuff said.

[Mango]

Originally posted by PyRo
Now, why are we comparing the 84 corvette and camaro? Not sure why that came up,

Originally posted by PyRo
Not true, alot of older vettes couldn't keep up with a stock camaro SS probably even with 2k in mods.

[PyRo]

Originally posted by SprayingMango
omfg, you are comparing a modded CUSTOM car to a STOCK car. I am not doing so. I am comparing STOCK for STOCK. How can you even ARGUE that fact in a sane manner. Obviously anyone can build a custom car for that much. Sheesh man...

Actually, I guess we agree. From the factory the corvette is the best preforming car in its price range (actually I cannot think of any other cars in the price range build for performance). But for the same cost you can build a better preforming custom car. I just have a whole list of cars I would spend that kind of money on before a corvette.