Ford Vs Gm Vs Mopar

[PyRo]

Originally posted by Dubstar112


There is so many variables that could cause that. Suspension, tires, plow setup, long v short wheel base, on and on...

I don't see how any of those things would affect it a great deal. Both trucks were very well maintained, so nothing was worn on either of them. And the wheelbases are proabably pretty close anyway.
You left out what should probably be your strongest argument, gearing
Its not like the wheels were spinning, the thing just wouldn't move at all.

[1stdeadeye]

The new F-150 is very nice.

Gotta go Ford. My pop uses his 5.4l Expedition to tow the Corvettes all over the place. Crappy gas mileage, but no power problems.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by CasingBill
Concerning the diesel aspect of this discussion.

Ford...no good.....they are still having lots of sofware problems. Such as the truck just shutting off while driving. Besides the new ones come with Hankook tires.(yuk)

GM...no good....the aforementioned Allison tranny's. Also they are having some head gasket issues. (Besides its an ugly truck)

Dodge....mmmmm..good. Still the most dependable diesel package on the market. Pull out a piston from a Cummins and compare to the others. The Cummins is at least 50% bigger. Bigger equals stronger. Classic inline 6 design. The same as the big trucks. If the smaller piston v8 style was so great all the big truck/engine manufacturers would switch.(awesome truck)

Guess which one I own?????

First point: Fords, Not any more. Fixed. Again do not buy a 2003. Tires? no...thats wrong... they come with Generals, Michelins or BF Goodrich. BFG's are I think the predominant now stock tire. The Generals on a few base work models. Michelins on high end or option.

Second Point: GM, Yes they are having problems with both those. I think the about solved the tranny issue. Maybe. And I still hearing issues about the motor. Again do not buy a 2002-2003...


Third point: Pistons are bigger because there are 2 less of them. But still they not that much bigger. But againg its still a great engine. The new HO model of it has promise and gets then closer to the power that the other two of the big three have. But not quite. The I6 by design just will not turn up the higher RPMs to give you good acceleration in a 4 - 5 speed tranny and so therefore sluggishly slow off the line and up to speed. Why are the others not switching you ask? I am not sure why you ask that when they already have! GM And Ford both use a V8 Diesel. For the very forementioned reason! remember an I6 can be bigger and in commercial applications is. But its mated with a much wider gear range tranny. In order to accomidate its low RPM great torque. Thats why they use it. They can harness that with the right tranny! Thats the drawback of using it in a non commercial application where you cannot accomadate it with a more than 5 or 6 gears. You need about 8 to get that thing right. And in the dodge you don't have them. Nor do you have the size of that I6 they use commercialy. And with a V8 you only need 3 or 4. Because it revs higher and into its power band up there. Thats why GM and Ford use it in non commercial appications. Its better for a smaller truck is why! The I6 gets out of its power band in that higher RPM it needs to accelerate from gear to gear when they spaced far enough apart to do normal application. Its missing a few critical steps to compete with the V8. If it had gearing in the gaps it certainly will compete. Its just not practical to give them to you. but if you can live with that acceleration issue, many can, then its a great engine and has great torque and is cheap to modify. You seem happy with it. And a lot of people are. I know of a few guys have added a split axle to those. Nice set up. I know a guy also did it to the Ford and that thing rocks!

[mcveighr]

I've also heard alot about the 2003/2 Duramax/Allison, but if they seem to have sorted it out then theyve got the best diesel on the truck market.

Dodge makes a nice truck but I don't really like the fact that you can hear the cummins two towns over. I've heard of alot of transmission problems with the older ones, but I haven't seen anything for myself so I shouldn't say anything.

I never really liked fords, I'm not really that impressed with any part of them.

[Dubstar112]

Originally posted by PyRo


I don't see how any of those things would affect it a great deal. Both trucks were very well maintained, so nothing was worn on either of them. And the wheelbases are proabably pretty close anyway.
You left out what should probably be your strongest argument, gearing
Its not like the wheels were spinning, the thing just wouldn't move at all.

Um, thats why I said "on and on". My dad plows for Lowes. Between his truck(1500), and another ford 250, my dads truck was a better plowing machine.

Better tires, better tranny, suspension work, good plow and other things. Its not the truck brand its how it is set up.

[PyRo]

The ford is a plow truck, nothing else. It rarley ever leaves the parking lot it plows while the other is an everyday truck used for all kinds of things.
Tire quality makes no differance in this situation because the tires were grabbing, the motor just couldn't turn them. The tranny in the ford is new, most of the suspension was also replaced. The actual plow itself in this example doesn't matter much either.

[Butterfingers]

Gas Mopar...

Not only the big block Hemi... But the 4cyl Turbos that NONE of the other manufacturers produce.

Diesel Mopar...

Also the 5.9l cummins/dodge HO turbodiesel is the best... No question...

Heres a Ford F150 with an Identity Crisis... Owner has swapped the Original 7.3 Powerstroke for a 5.9 L Dodge/ Cummins turbodiesel...

Folks this is 96 LB/s of boost... propelling a 10,000 lb vehicle that will show a vette zo6 its tailights while towing a horse trailer...

http://www.whobroketheinterweb.com/shared/F350Run.wmv

yeah... can sombody tell me what that 1/4 mile time says...

[CasingBill]

Originally posted by mcveighr
I've also heard alot about the 2003/2 Duramax/Allison, but if they seem to have sorted it out then theyve got the best diesel on the truck market.

Dodge makes a nice truck but I don't really like the fact that you can hear the cummins two towns over. I've heard of alot of transmission problems with the older ones, but I haven't seen anything for myself so I shouldn't say anything.

I never really liked fords, I'm not really that impressed with any part of them.

The Dodge is nothing like the old ones. The new HO is super quiet. I can actually go through the drive thru window at Mickey D's now.

Cphilip....Its all just opinion anyway. Yes they are like nipples on a guy.

Most of my info I get is from Autowurks Diesel in NJ. He does performance work on a couple of our trucks. Most of this stuff is his opinion. I also see his trohpies from his Dodge Cummins drag truck. He builds all but only races Cummins. He sees these trucks all day long. I listen to the expert.

[mcveighr]

The Dodge is nothing like the old ones. The new HO is super quiet. I can actually go through the drive thru window at Mickey D's now.

I just turn it off, they can never hear me.

PS- I drive a 96 GMC 6.5L Diesel 3/4 tonne with tonne frame, extended cab and 8' box. Its got 287000kms and its never had a problem, so my resonses will be a little biased.

[cphilip]

Exactly. The guys that like to preformance mod the Diesels really do like that Cummins for that. It's so easy and cheap to do on it. The other two, Ford and Chevy use a lot of electronics and return fuel rails and stuff that makes that a bit harder to do and way more expensive.

They are noisier. A bit. But they have dones some stuff to quite them down lately. But Diesel guys love that sound. And they love to hear the Whine of the turbo spooling up. You make em too quite then they don't want em!

Rear end ratio and stuff does make a HUGE difference. I don't know where you get the idea that stuff does not. A truck with a smaller engine and a Larger rear end ratio will out work a larger engine and smaller rear end ratio NO MATTER WHAT at plowing and stuff like that. You just cannot underestimate gear ratios. Its what really puts the horses and torque up to the Ground. And you cannot tell it by looking at the truck. Right now I run a 4.10 rear end. It will flat move anything from a stand still. But it is a bit worse on Fuel. turns about another couple hundered RPM at 65mph. A similar truck with a lower ration would be doing 70 at the same RPM. But would not tow out of the hole and get moving near as good. Many are running 3.73 rear ends on these. And its very noticable when trying to do some towing or even plowing. I suspect there was a very big difference in those two trucks. Where it counts. In the rear end ratio. I bet that ford had a 3.55 rear end and the Dodge a 4.10. Huge difference. HUGE. doesn't matter what motor is up there. Its not getting to the ground right for towing or plowing.

Don't get me wrong here though. I would consider a Dodge with a Cummins. If they get of thier arse and build a full crew cab.

And when Chevy fixes thier issues with the Isuzu and Alison I would consider them too.

And when Ford is for certain finished with the Powerstroke 6.0 I would maybe as well

Till its all clear and sorts itself out I will stick with my 7.3L Powerstoke. That engine has proven itself to be a winner.

[cphilip]

Butter you got that wrong. that guy didn't use anything Dodge at all. He used a commercial grade I6 Cummins. Ford even uses them, just not in the F350. The Ford F650 and above have a Cummins option in them. There are three engine options in that size truck. Powerstroke, Cummins and Detroit. All commercial grade engines. Not Dodge spec engines. But then again they have split axles too so they can use them more effently. And the Commercial engine is a totaly different beast than is purchased by Dodge to put into Dodge pickup trucks. Very different. About all they share is a block.

[PyRo]

Where did I say the rear end ratio didn't make a differance?

And why when you put the sander on the ford does the alignment go out? Yet you can load about a ton into that dodge without it happening. And its not just this ford truck, most of the ones I see once you put any kind of serious weight in them the alignment is off.

[cphilip]

Oh yea. sure kid. You know.



Spend your time studying up. You got the classic narrow minded brand loyalty crap head going there.

[magman007]

Originally posted by cphilip
Mine popped at 29K. Main Sprag failed. I was not towing at the time but HAD towed the camper down to Orlando. So I was stuck till they fixed it. I did not have my temp monitor in there but do now. But I have no reason to believe it was related to overheating. It seems to have been that particular part that exploded. Reports are that about 10% of those in those years failed. Thats really a lot if you think about how many are out there! New design of a part in 2000. Which by the time they started figuring it out was late in 2001 and they changed back. And retrofitted it in all the ones that failed. But that was the old 100R tranny. They got a whole new redesigned one now. Came out in 2003 1/4 with the 6.0L engine. The Torque Shift. And so far its holding up really well. What year was yours?

Most of the reports I heard failed under warranty. And it cost ford a BUNCH of money. Only heard of a few that made it past warranty. And if those owners put up a stink they fixed them too. Not always willingly but at least they would split the cost

phil, i think mine was a 2001, bought in 2000. We had to pay for it, which pissed us off royally, but still. Atleast it made it past warrenty! im wondering if the differences in our trucks helped us make it past warrenty? for example, we have a 4x4, etc. any ways yea, that sucked royally, we coasted across this brige, then there was the ford dealership! we were lucky to find a tow trucker that hauled horses as well. They were kind enough to tow us to the fair grounds for free. if we hadnt found one with a goseneck, then we woulda been screwed.

[PyRo]

What am I baseing this on?
1. What mechnics have said to me
2. I cannot think of any shop that uses ford trucks around here
3. I had a mechanic sit down with me for about an hour explaining how the suspentions in fords was differant than GM and dadge, and why it did that
3. He also explained why the engines wern't as good as GM or dodge
4. Watching it happen myself

We had 800lbs of sausage, a guy who had to be about 250lbs, my 190lb friend, and myself 195 (1400lbs total), in my Grand cherokee with the I6, it didn't throw the alignment off, and i'm pretty sure thats over the max load.
I know ive overloaded GM and dodge trucks before, never had a problem, but a ford truck, even not overloaded most of the time the alingment goes out. Maybie not on the newer ones, but on the older ones it happens.