how fast

[melch]

so what is the fastest marker on the planet and how fast can the X valve really shoot

[PyRo]

It can shoot about 26bps before any shootdown if you can pull the trigger that fast I believe.

[lord1234]

wrong...26 is how fast it has been shot(due to restrictions such as hoppers). Hasn't hit the limit yet.

[phantomhitman]

i agree. i thought they went higher but feeding became an issue like you stated.

[melch]

i think i read that it can shoot 30 bps + and with the new superbolt 2 it could do even more like 34bps+

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

someone should hook one of those new q loaders on an xmag/emag with morlock and see if it can feed 30+bps like they claim it can...

[melch]

i was wondering just for experimental sake if you took a long pvc pipe like 5' long and mounted it to your gun to feed paintballs how fast that would feed and if it would give you an acurete example of how fast a gun could shoot i hope i dont sound crazy tell me other people have tried or at least thought about this

[-=Squid=-]

Originally posted by melch
i was wondering just for experimental sake if you took a long pvc pipe like 5' long and mounted it to your gun to feed paintballs how fast that would feed and if it would give you an acurete example of how fast a gun could shoot i hope i dont sound crazy tell me other people have tried or at least thought about this

No your not crazy... I have thought of that very thing. If gravity wasnt fast enough you could even put weight on the balls, like a dowel rod or metal pipe. (solid)

[melch]

ya my budy gillie guy and i were arguing about that last night if the Qloader can do up to i think 50 bps and thats with no feed tube and elbows and 30 bps with elbows and feed tube imagin what a strait pipe maby with a spring pushing down from the top in it i bet it could do at least 100bps probably more because of the lack of risastance

[MantisMag]

Originally posted by -=Squid=-
No your not crazy... I have thought of that very thing. If gravity wasnt fast enough you could even put weight on the balls, like a dowel rod or metal pipe. (solid)

acceleration due to gravity is independent of mass. the reason heavier things fall faster is that they are less affected by air resistance. putting weight on top will keep them from bouncing around. that's about it. if you want to speed them up you'll have to force feed it using a spring or something. also take into account that the stack isn't constantly accelerating. the stack stops for each shot. unless of course you want to drop the balls and try to time them so they fall into the breach at exactly the time that it opens.

[MantisMag]

ok let me end the silly speculation. for a gravity fed pipe with lots of stuff that takes time cut out.

diameter of a .68" paintball in meters = .017m
acceleration due to gravity = 9.8m/s^2

loading speed on an infinitely fast marker (a ball in the breech is shot and the breech opened in 0 time.) with nothing lost due to the balls needing to decelerate or from bouncing in the stack.

d = 1/2 * a * t^2
t= sqr(2d/a)
t=sqr(2*.017/9.8)
t=.059s

1 ball / .059s/ball = 16.95 bps

[melch]

what if you had a spring pushing down on the balls lets just say a spring with a 5 lb push for experimental sake now as i am only in high school and i spend all my time either playing, praticing, or weight lifting for football and playing paintball i dont have time to figure out all that

[MantisMag]

springs push less the more they extend. you'd have to figure out a way to keep the spring compressed if you want to keep that amount of force. it would also depend on the size of the stack.

[dyst0pia]

You would have to do the 5lb*9.8m/sec^2 to get the force in N.

Then I am assuming you could just do t=sqr(2*.017/(5*9.8))

That would give you a t value of .026, which would lead to a 38.5bps feed rate.

Does that sound right???

I think you might have a problem with the spring either causing all the balls to be flat-sided, or it would straight up break all the balls. I am not sure as to how much force a ball can withstand.

EDIT: mantis said what I was just about to say, it would be damn near impossible for the spring to keep a constant force of 5lb. However, my calculations would hold true if you somehow made it happen.

[yeahthatsme]

Re: how fast

Originally posted by melch
so what is the fastest marker on the planet and how fast can the X valve really shoot

if you mean just air i saw a viking vid shooting like 40 cps confirmed(air) and i saw i believe a 30 bps halo paint vid...