death penalty- whats your stance on it?

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

I have two beefs with the death penalty.

I don't mind the penalty for people who, are without a doubt guilty, but there have been so many people, who have been found innocent after spending years on death row.

I vaguely rememeber a story about some kids from Northwestern or something, saving a man who was going to be executed in 48 hours.

Second, it takes too long, and costs too much

[Mr.mike]

I think that the death penalty should be used much more freely, like on every major criminal.
But if it isnt such a major crime, just make the jail time alot longer than it normaly would be. Also, if a person commited a crime for a second time they automatically get the death penalty like in a major crime.
I think this would encourage people not to break the law if the punishmentt is alot more strict.
And when the people go to prison they dont go to those nice and easy prisons they go to really super hard(butt) prisons where the guards beat people!
and people that have the death penalty should be killed immediately like they walk into the next room of the court and its the execution room instead of sitting around for a year on death row
i think that its disgusting and perposterous that my tax money pays for the food and clothing of the guy who shot and killed my best friend(an example, my friend wasnt really killed)
It would be so much cheaper if the government did it like this.
Personally i think this country is slowly going down the crapper because our government is filled with a bunch of idiot liberals, we need some real people running the government!

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

Originally posted by Mr.mike
I think that the death penalty should be used much more freely, like on every major criminal.
But if it isnt such a major crime, just make the jail time alot longer than it normaly would be. Also, if a person commited a crime for a second time they automatically get the death penalty like in a major crime.
I think this would encourage people not to break the law if the punishmentt is alot more strict.
And when the people go to prison they dont go to those nice and easy prisons they go to really super hard(butt) prisons where the guards beat people!
and people that have the death penalty should be killed immediately like they walk into the next room of the court and its the execution room instead of sitting around for a year on death row
i think that its disgusting and perposterous that my tax money pays for the food and clothing of the guy who shot and killed my best friend(an example, my friend wasnt really killed)
It would be so much cheaper if the government did it like this.
Personally i think this country is slowly going down the crapper because our government is filled with a bunch of idiot liberals, we need some real people running the government!

Did you just call Bush a liberal?

[Miscue]

I kinda like the Running Man idea.

[logamus]

i see i was a day early for this debate.

Originally posted by logamus
in Texas, a death sentance is automatically appealed. i say after that appeal is done the execution is set for 11:30 pm the following monday. the condemed has until that time to get the supreme court to stay the execution because they have agreed to hear his case. if not, see you later pal.

the death sentence has become less of a deterant to crime because criminals know even if they get death, it will be decades until its actually applied. if people knew that within weeks of the sentance they would be pushing up daisys it might have a tad more punch.

ps, i also wouldnt mind adding rape and child molestion to the list of death penalty crimes. i cant imagine what we need with those types of people. i would rather live next door to a murderer than a rapist/child molester.

now when i want to include rapists in the mix im not talking statutory rape. i also woulnt be against death for the "3 strikes" rules.

Originally posted by Miscue
I kinda like the Running Man idea.

the movie rather than the books version of course.

[WicKeD_WaYz]

Originally posted by CaptaiN_JacK

if somebody commits a crime and gets a sentence of more than 5 years in prison, whatever the crime may be, kill them.

kind of ignorant. I have friends locked down for more than 5 years maybe thats why I see it different.

you know how easy it is to get a 5 year sentence?

my homi mike hit someone with a bat cuz the guy pulled a gun on him, his gf, and me. He got 5-10 years for attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon. Does he deserve death penalty for self defense? (even though the court didnt see it that way....)


now if they are locked up for life? I say kill em, they will never get a second chance anyway, and our tax money goes to feed them.

[Restola]

Originally posted by WicKeD_WaYz
my homi mike hit someone with a bat cuz the guy pulled a gun on him, his gf, and me. He got 5-10 years for attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon.

Probably more to that story...

[CaptaiN_JacK]

Originally posted by WicKeD_WaYz

my homi mike hit someone with a bat cuz the guy pulled a gun on him, his gf, and me. He got 5-10 years for attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon. Does he deserve death penalty for self defense? (even though the court didnt see it that way....)

ohhhh i see. your friend happened to have a bat with him when a guy pulled a gun. not only that, but the guy decided that it would be better not to use the gun, and let himself get beat with a bat. not only that, but with 2 eye-witnesses saying the guy pulled a gun and threatened you guys, its quite UNLIKELY that they would sentence him to 5-10 years for attempted murder. patch up the holes buddy.

[WicKeD_WaYz]

Originally posted by CaptaiN_JacK


ohhhh i see. your friend happened to have a bat with him when a guy pulled a gun. not only that, but the guy decided that it would be better not to use the gun, and let himself get beat with a bat. not only that, but with 2 eye-witnesses saying the guy pulled a gun and threatened you guys, its quite UNLIKELY that they would sentence him to 5-10 years for attempted murder. patch up the holes buddy.

here are the hole patches you requested.

we were sitting in mikes car on a side street, waiting to meet up with another car. he was in the drivers seat, his gf in the passenger seat, and I was in the back. a guy walked up and said "you guys got any papers?" (weed) mike told him no. the guy then pulled out a gun and said "give me all ur f'in money." his gf starts freakin out and mike was tellin him to put the gun down and the guy was like "get out of the bleeping car" i stepped out of the car and I was just gunna give the guy some money so he would leave. Mikes gf got out and was still about to cry. and i was standing by the trunk and i was reachin into my wallet, mike got out of the car with his bat that he always keeps under his seat by the center console, and hit the guy over the head before he even knew what was up. then we proceeded to beat his ***. on a side note, after he was down we found out his gun wasnt even loaded, but he had a loaded clip in his pocket (and an unloaded one in his gun.)

the reason he got so much time was because they said he hit the guy with the bat a lot of times even after he was unconscious. and that he didnt know where to stop. I got a year paroll because I was a minor and didnt use a weapon. But where would you draw the line on beating someone if they just stuck a gun to you.

and on top of that, the guy and his friend that was parked in a car near buy both swore he never had a weapon or threatened us, and that he was just asking for papers for smoking and we jumped him with a bat, so it was our word against his. basically he had a better lawyer and we just got screwed in court with the worst possible scenario.

anyways im not trying to turn this into a debate. the court has already made a decision on it and Ive done enough complaining for the last 2 years that im done with that. life sucks and thats what happens.

[Havoc_online]

I'm all for it, but I think some things need worse of a punishment. The sad truth is that some ppl want to be caught and killed or they just dont care. If there were actual torture, I think that would give them more of a conscience.

[rehme]

if they kill someone the need to be killed. not if like a tire blows out and hits an on coming or something to that degree. but if they stab someone on purpose and kills them they deserve to be put to death. imo

[tony3]

Screw democracy, fascism is the only way to go

Prison is to nice nowadays, depending on what you are in prison for, I would rather see prisoners not want to come back, EVER. My cousin got sentenced to 5 years in statesville prison and got out in like 2 or 3 on parole I believe. Right when he got out, his friend was there with a car, and my cousin starts driving it, without a license, not to mention right before he got out of jail he broke into a car and stole someones wallet. I know him pretty well, and jail must not be that bad if you do all that crap after getting out, now he is back in and gets out in about a month. Jail should be feared. I would rather see people breaking rocks all day with some bread and water for meals. No more exercise rooms, weight lifting competitions, baseball fields, and basketball courts. I want to see some action. I want the jail guards to be mean and hurt the prisoners so they don't want to come back. I think the whole jail/court system needs some tweaking, but thats just me.

[trevorjk]

what exactly is your paper on? are you trying to say why it is good or why it is bad? or you just trying to make it more human and bring it to a personal level?

i as a senior had to do a 10 minute speach on it well i didnt have to but i did it was more of a debate against one kid and i had the pro part while the other kid had the cons


if i were you i would do alot of research as i found that most people supporting the cruel and unusual punishment theory when it comes to the death penelty actually have seconds thoughts when they actually know what is going on... like the lethal injection is actually a 3 step process that takes a few minutes and the person being executed actually feals no pain what so ever... and the way it is done if for any reason the govener wants to call off the sentence there is still time even after the injections have started.... like i said research how it is done.

another note that i found particularly intersesting is research the items and utensils and the methods used about 100 years ago then 300 years ago and then try going back about 750-1000 years if at all possible... seeing as this thread has also added rape search for the death utensil called or nicknamed "the pear" that was used on woman who slepped outside of marriage or for men or woman that were of homosexuality or convicted of rape... it was a very gruesome death by any means and makes the lethal injection seam like a teddy bear... so like i said if you want to show how harmless and how safe the lethal injection now adays is show them what it was 100, 300, and 700 years ago and how much we have progressed.


another thing i found very interesting when i did my debate is how much it actually cost to keep an inmate on death row with a life sentence and how much it actually cost to execute some one... my numbers could be off cuase this was over a year ago but to keep some one in a maximum security prison cost taxpayers rougly 100k a year for one person. now put that to the average of over 30 years on death row and thats over 3 million and most people are in there longer! now alot of people say it cost more to actually put some one to death becuase of all the appeals and what not but on average it cost 3million with all the appeals and all the jail time to put some one to death. (my numbers could be off like i said)


and another interesting thing i found out is that theres myths and legends about putting people to death that were innocent but with all the research i have done ( i spent the most time on this over 20 hours easily ) i have found that every person put to death in the united states since becoming the united states has actually commited the murder he or she did and was in no way shape or form innocent of the actions they were guilty of. infact i have found sites and actually government documents stating these and the facts but by all means research for your self and come up with your own arguement for what ever you want to think

i wish i still had the outline for the sites that i have visited to get all my information when i did this project last yeat but i do not any more but i found and listed over 50 sites that i visited for my facts numbers and even listings from people that were executed or who are inline to be executed and they all admit there wrong doing





so obviously my personal view on this case is if you did the crime and your guilty beyond any reasonable doubt and even if you plead guilty your life shall be taken *eye for an eye*

[WicKeD_WaYz]

Originally posted by trevorjk
what exactly is your paper on? are you trying to say why it is good or why it is bad? or you just trying to make it more human and bring it to a personal level?

i as a senior had to do a 10 minute speach on it well i didnt have to but i did it was more of a debate against one kid and i had the pro part while the other kid had the cons


if i were you i would do alot of research as i found that most people supporting the cruel and unusual punishment theory when it comes to the death penelty actually have seconds thoughts when they actually know what is going on... like the lethal injection is actually a 3 step process that takes a few minutes and the person being executed actually feals no pain what so ever... and the way it is done if for any reason the govener wants to call off the sentence there is still time even after the injections have started.... like i said research how it is done.

another note that i found particularly intersesting is research the items and utensils and the methods used about 100 years ago then 300 years ago and then try going back about 750-1000 years if at all possible... seeing as this thread has also added rape search for the death utensil called or nicknamed "the pear" that was used on woman who slepped outside of marriage or for men or woman that were of homosexuality or convicted of rape... it was a very gruesome death by any means and makes the lethal injection seam like a teddy bear... so like i said if you want to show how harmless and how safe the lethal injection now adays is show them what it was 100, 300, and 700 years ago and how much we have progressed.


another thing i found very interesting when i did my debate is how much it actually cost to keep an inmate on death row with a life sentence and how much it actually cost to execute some one... my numbers could be off cuase this was over a year ago but to keep some one in a maximum security prison cost taxpayers rougly 100k a year for one person. now put that to the average of over 30 years on death row and thats over 3 million and most people are in there longer! now alot of people say it cost more to actually put some one to death becuase of all the appeals and what not but on average it cost 3million with all the appeals and all the jail time to put some one to death. (my numbers could be off like i said)


and another interesting thing i found out is that theres myths and legends about putting people to death that were innocent but with all the research i have done ( i spent the most time on this over 20 hours easily ) i have found that every person put to death in the united states since becoming the united states has actually commited the murder he or she did and was in no way shape or form innocent of the actions they were guilty of. infact i have found sites and actually government documents stating these and the facts but by all means research for your self and come up with your own arguement for what ever you want to think

i wish i still had the outline for the sites that i have visited to get all my information when i did this project last yeat but i do not any more but i found and listed over 50 sites that i visited for my facts numbers and even listings from people that were executed or who are inline to be executed and they all admit there wrong doing





so obviously my personal view on this case is if you did the crime and your guilty beyond any reasonable doubt and even if you plead guilty your life shall be taken *eye for an eye*

my paper is on a few different things. I have to interview and take information about how people look at the death penalty and see where there from, carreers, etc. Then I will compile a chart of what kind of people are in support of the death penalty. then I have to explain the different exocution ways and the pro's and con's of each one. Next I get to argue from BOTH POINTS OF VIEW on is the death penalty a good thing or a bad thing. So I have to know the facts on both sides arguments- mainly why I posted here.

Ya its gunna be a long sunday night.

[trevorjk]

well the guy that was CON for my debate used mainly how much it cost us tax payers and how cruel it was to put a human being down. like i used in my PRO speach on how it can actually be cheaper, the price is still way up there. so as a CON you could easily use that... other cons he brought out to use the cruel and unusual punishment was the electric chair (forgot name) and the shooting thing they do in utah (if they still do it, maybe even the wrong state) but they have 5 guys behind the executee and only one has an actual round and they all fire off at the same time... this was implimented in the early 90's i beleive so it could be a basis to use cruel and unusual punishment as a con.

as far as more cons you could use personal stories to bring life into these criminals like i said in my other post there are sites made and maintained by death row inmates that brings life to these people


other then that i cant help you much for the cons and like i pointed out in both of my replies my info and data may be wrong cuase this was over a year ago i had to do this thing