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  • PyRo
    President Bioloaf inc.
    • Dec 2000
    • 10186

    #16
    You pay some middle eastern country per barrel
    You pay to ship it to the US
    You pay to refine in and add detergents (thats why california gas is more expensive, they require a certain addative to reduce polution)
    You pay for shipping again
    You pay the guy standing at the pump
    You pay taxes on gas
    Your paying for all the tankers, land and equipment used along the way, and your paying for everyone along the way to make a profit.


    In other words it costs what about three times as much to get the oil from the barrel to your car as the oil itself actually does. I forget what the tax on gas is, but the tax our government charges for gas isn't cheap, the tax itself is probably close to what they are getting paid for the oil in the first place. So there is more than one place to whine too

    As far as reserves go, we don't have 50 years of oil stored up, don't know where you heard that one. We need the reserves to be there. What happens if OPEC decides for some reason to outright stop selling us oil, people are going to freeze to death, we are going to be volnerable to attack, so that you could drive to work. Personally I would rather stop driving then have the Mexican army marching down the street. If we become in a large schale war and there is a shortage of oil we need the reserves, they are also a deterant to OPEC from doing some really not nice things with oil prices, even more than now.

    If its that big of a deal to you, get a more fuel efficant car, deisel volkswagons get great milage and are nice cars. Deisel Mercedes get decent milage, and are also good cars, and they are completly differant from the Diesels of 10 years ago, they are much cleaner, and sound like a normal car. Then there are the hybrid cars which get comprable gas milage to the diesels. I drive a car that eats alot of gas, and have a driving style that uses alot of gas, ive got the money so I keep that can and keep driving like that, if I didn't I would be in one of those diesel volkswagons.

    I remember about 2 years ago when prices went up to about $2.20 for regular, one guy pulls into the gas station I worked at, asks how much for regular. I tell him $2.20 a gallon. Guess what he says? "Wow thats cheap", he wasn't joking either he just came here from England, turns out they're paying a heck of alot more than us over there.

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    • Lohman446
      Useful posts: 7
      • Jun 2003
      • 9315

      #17
      Re: Kerry and Gas

      Originally posted by ShortStrokeTX
      So Kerry wants to stop diverting oil to the National Reserve and use up the reserve to help lower gas costs. Personally I think that's freaking asinine. I wouldn't mind lower gas costs, I mean I end up paying 30+ to not even fill it up all the way, but eating into the reserve is just retarded. That puts us at the absolutely mercy of everybody we import our oil from. This would turn into a major problem because if they don't like something we do, bam,they shut off the oil. The reserve is there to protect us from that, and when everybody else runs out of oil, we'll still have some. Anyhow, I personally think that's a rediculous proposition and just another reason why not to vote for Kerry.
      Didn't Bush do this early in his term and the Republicans loved it and the democrats hated it...
      "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. Its not" - Dr Suess

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      • PyRo
        President Bioloaf inc.
        • Dec 2000
        • 10186

        #18
        We have a way to go before I pay $30 to fill up my car, 15 gallon tank that I never let down more than 2/3, seems cheaper to pay $20 three times a week to fill up than $60 once

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        • RoadDawg
          Degeneration X is back
          • May 2001
          • 4023

          #19
          First off I drive a Chevy Cavalier. IT gets decent mileage. But in my job field I have to drive 50+ miles one way almost everyday. Unfortunatly I'm not in a financial situation where I can say I quit and find something closer. I have bills I need to pay. I'd go for a new car but the fact is I owe to much on my car already that no dealer would take it. I've been looking at the Honda Hybrid since it's release. The air quality is horrible down here even with all those detergents. The fact that it's around 2.20 here for the cheapy stuff (ARCO/AmPm type places) which is equivalent to most places mid grade stuff.
          Sorry, I'm old

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          • 1stdeadeye
            Still around????
            • Jun 2002
            • 8501

            #20
            I'm paying $1.58 and that ticks me off!

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            • PyRo
              President Bioloaf inc.
              • Dec 2000
              • 10186

              #21
              I would go diesel over hybrid, you can get ones a few years old to get out of buying a new car. 100 miles isn't all that much, your cavilier probably gets 20-30mph, thats roughly 3-5 galons or $6-$10 a day, not go bad. Just make sure your car is running right, and you keep up the maintenance, clean oil, airfilter, o2 sensor, spark plugs and wires, cap and rotor, maintence pays for itself in reliability and better gas milage.

              My camaro got about 16 highway when I bought it as opposed to about 26 now

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              • PyRo
                President Bioloaf inc.
                • Dec 2000
                • 10186

                #22
                Originally posted by 1stdeadeye
                I'm paying $1.58 and that ticks me off!
                What????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                • RoadDawg
                  Degeneration X is back
                  • May 2001
                  • 4023

                  #23
                  I get an average of 300+ miles between fills. I keep my car in as good as shape as I can afford. Unfortunatly with the cost of living soaring WAY to high this way, it's getting tougher.
                  Sorry, I'm old

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                  • 1stdeadeye
                    Still around????
                    • Jun 2002
                    • 8501

                    #24
                    Originally posted by PyRo

                    What????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    Hey I am from Jersey land of Cheap Gas and they pump it for you too!

                    It should still be cheaper though!!!!

                    RoadDawg,

                    Maybe it is time to look elsewhere and move. I did. I moved from Bethesda, MD to NJ. The cost of living here is far less then the DC metro area. My house here costs less then my condo in Bethesda did!

                    If the cost of living is too high, do something about it! Search the net for jobs and then move!

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                    • FactsOfLife
                      Conservative Jihadi
                      • May 2002
                      • 2504

                      #25
                      Originally posted by RoadDawg


                      LET me guess... it's the Liberals fault? I read more then one side to news stories. Ya selfishness that's it. I'm selfish. How bout I get canned from my job and you can pay my wages. I'm trying to earn a decent responsible living. If I can't get to the several locations I drive to in a day due to ungodly high gas prices. I'm on the working side and this is how it affects me. Pipe up and sit down.
                      Yes, SELFISH.

                      And SHORTSIGHTED.

                      I guess no one else in the country has your problems right? It's all about you.

                      'I guess John Kerry went into the primaries without a plan to win the election.' - Ann Coulter
                      All you ever needed to know about how the left thinks in one video.
                      The Thinking Conservatives Website
                      Hey Michael Mooron, THIS is what a documentary looks like.

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                      • RoadDawg
                        Degeneration X is back
                        • May 2001
                        • 4023

                        #26
                        I've thought about it. I'm waiting to see if this new job comes about. Cost of living is way too high here. Can we say $500,000 for a starter home. Now how on Earth is someone making 30k a year gonna afford something like that. Anyways. I'd move but my fiance is bent on staying close to her family. That and we both love the weather and other things that SoCal is known for.
                        Sorry, I'm old

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                        • FactsOfLife
                          Conservative Jihadi
                          • May 2002
                          • 2504

                          #27
                          Originally posted by RoadDawg

                          I knew there were different reasons. My response earlier was ONE of many things. FOL seems to blame the liberals for anything and everything so I through that out for him. It is both sides that run things in this country and more often the not this board blames the "liberal" side of it. Just sickens me to think that people only look one way.
                          Where did I say it was the liberals fault?

                          I said you didn't have a clue as to where the price increases came from.

                          YOU assumed I was talking about libs when I wasn't.

                          'I guess John Kerry went into the primaries without a plan to win the election.' - Ann Coulter
                          All you ever needed to know about how the left thinks in one video.
                          The Thinking Conservatives Website
                          Hey Michael Mooron, THIS is what a documentary looks like.

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                          • spyder_strypes
                            shoots a mag
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 279

                            #28
                            Guys--
                            Kerry doesn't want to use up the reserve, he just wants to stop pumping more gas into it untill the prices fall. I think a lot of you missed that.
                            From the AP
                            SAN DIEGO (AP) - Democratic candidate John Kerry said Tuesday that as president he would stop pumping oil into the nation's emergency stockpile until prices fell and would pursue new energy policies because ``no young American in uniform ought to ever be held hostage to America's dependence on oil from the Middle East.''
                            And RoadDawg's comment isn't selfish at all...sure, he may be not be the only one with the problem, but have you ever been in a similar situation?
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                            • ShortStrokeTX
                              Registered User
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 109

                              #29
                              But we all know it's the liberals fault.
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                              • PyRo
                                President Bioloaf inc.
                                • Dec 2000
                                • 10186

                                #30
                                But if you cannot get anywhere in the area that your in its time to forget about being close to family and go somwhere else

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