Kerry and Gas

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by MarkM
Something that has confused me since forever is that given the american two party system how can the President be say a Demorcrat and yet the main house is Republican, or have I missed something.

2 major parties, 3 branches of government.

Executive is the President and his appointed cabinet.

Legislative is the elected representatives in the House and Senate.

Judicial are the judges in the Supreme court on down.

[MarkM]

Judicial counts as a third part of goverment? Oh well in that case we have 4 sections then as the High Court is higher than District/Crown and in turn can have decisions taken to the House of Lords on appeal. Cockeyed way of doing things on either side of the pond

[MarkM]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


I understand the point you are tryig to make, but you are wrong...again!

The US economy is not headed toward recession. Do you know the technical definition of a recession? It is negative growth for consecutive quarters. We have been out of this recession for almost a year now. We are seeing some of the fastest growth in the last 20 years in our economy now. We are out of the recession and growing.

Further Canada's economy is so intertwined with ours that if we go down, they are along for the ride. You can thank NAFTA for that!

Then why is it costing you more to import goods and you are also getting a lower return on exports...that sounds like recession to me. Internal growth figures can say what you want them to...are your employment figures rising or falling. The most obvious yardstick is that we see daily that we can get more USD to our Pound. This would indicate that our economy is the stronger - at present!

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by MarkM


Then why is it costing you more to import goods and you are also getting a lower return on exports...that sounds like recession to me. Internal growth figures can say what you want them to...are your employment figures rising or falling. The most obvious yardstick is that we see daily that we can get more USD to our Pound. This would indicate that our economy is the stronger - at present!

We are not getting a lower return. We are making our exports cheaper so that we can export more. Having imports more expensive makes domestic products more attractive.

Our Employment numbers are rising and have been for the past two quarters.

Finally you do not know what a recession is then. Growth and recession are measured by the expansion and contraction of the economy you are measuring. The US economy is growing faster now then it did in the 90's. Look at our stock market. It was up over 25% last year and is up this year. That is part of the growth.

I hate to say this to you, but please take and Economics class (and I don't mean Home Ec! ) before you argue Economics. I feel like I am having a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent!

[MarkM]

Unarmed!! damned cheek Deliberately under valuing your products to get market share is one thing to artificially stimulate growth is like cooking the books (knew I could get a culinary reference in )
We had a success story here that would parallel your reasons for enconomic growth, The mighty Mini! Made lots of them! Sold lots of them! Employed lots of people to make them! Accounts made an error when they costed it and every single one was sold at a loss to the company, nearly put the company under (note this is back when the first models were made so any later parallels can't be drawn) But if you had looked at that companys books (audit) it would have shown all the signals of a healthy company to use the example you have given and so great things would be said and profits would come later on...didn't happen nor will it. I see quite often the people on here complaining about the amount of out sourced products that are connected with Paintball (we are still sort of on a paintball site) Where are JT products made?...parts may well be USA but assembled where? How does that help the American economy, there are others but to be honest any manufacturer is going to go where they can get the best deal for their product and in general terms it isn't within their own country, we have the same issues with the growth of the call centres in India. But I am getting away from the subject. I ain't bashing the US I think you realise that nor am I totally unswayed by your arguements however I don't agree with them thats all plain and simple. Despite I am A political in my outlook it would seem that one of us is a Demorcrat and one a Republican, though which is which I have never really understood in your system as to the outsider they appear identical

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by MarkM
Unarmed!! damned cheek Deliberately under valuing your products to get market share is one thing to artificially stimulate growth is like cooking the books (knew I could get a culinary reference in )
We had a success story here that would parallel your reasons for enconomic growth, The mighty Mini! Made lots of them! Sold lots of them! Employed lots of people to make them! Accounts made an error when they costed it and every single one was sold at a loss to the company, nearly put the company under (note this is back when the first models were made so any later parallels can't be drawn) But if you had looked at that companys books (audit) it would have shown all the signals of a healthy company to use the example you have given and so great things would be said and profits would come later on...didn't happen nor will it. I see quite often the people on here complaining about the amount of out sourced products that are connected with Paintball (we are still sort of on a paintball site) Where are JT products made?...parts may well be USA but assembled where? How does that help the American economy, there are others but to be honest any manufacturer is going to go where they can get the best deal for their product and in general terms it isn't within their own country, we have the same issues with the growth of the call centres in India. But I am getting away from the subject. I ain't bashing the US I think you realise that nor am I totally unswayed by your arguements however I don't agree with them thats all plain and simple.

Ah yes, but by us undercutting our prices via the weak dollar, we are not cutting our own throat, we are making American Goods cheaper worldwide. basically we are doing to the world what they have done to us for years! Turn about is fair play!!

Yes I am cheeky!

[arsonpaintball06]

Re: Well...

Originally posted by nospmas311
President Bush hasn't really done well for the economy either.

what the heck are you talking about. Bush is just starting to get the economy back into swing after all the crap clinton caused. Everyone thinks that clinton made the economy so good, but he was just riding on what reagan and bush sr. did. They got the economy good. many people dont realize that it takes years for the effects of wat a president does to the economy to take effect. Clinton screwed us, and bush got hit with wat he did. Kerry would just make everything worse. I think that if Kerry gets elected i might move outta the country.

[ShortStrokeTX]

Re: Re: Well...

Originally posted by arsonpaintball06
I think that if Kerry gets elected i might move outta the country.

I've been thinking that a lot lately too. Move down to Australia and have sheilas on the barbie and fosters, and take my girl to the opera house and then have more sheilas on the barbie.

[Zumina]

Sheilas are women.

[HoppysMag]

mmm bbq women... combinig the best of two worlds.

id move to mexico. drinking margaritas,....... senoritas

[FactsOfLife]

Re: Re: Well...

Originally posted by arsonpaintball06
I think that if Kerry gets elected i might move outta the country.

Don't debase yourself with the tactics of Barbara Streisand and her ILK.

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by HoppysMag
id move to mexico. drinking margaritas,....... senoritas

If things keep going, you won't need to move to be in Mexico!

[RoadDawg]

Originally posted by FactsOfLife



Oye vey...


Anyone else see the lovely irony here?

Anyone?

That actually did sound selfish there... what I meant though was that I'm explaining mine, and others in my job fields possible harm. Then again screw the people and let's charge MORE so people can't buy food or pay for housing. YAY!!

quote:Originally posted by HoppysMag
id move to mexico. drinking margaritas,....... senoritas



If things keep going, you won't need to move to be in Mexico!

Been to SoCal recently? Asians and Hispanics everywhere. Not that I complain being half Hispanic.

[FactsOfLife]

Originally posted by RoadDawg


That actually did sound selfish there... what I meant though was that I'm explaining mine, and others in my job fields possible harm. Then again screw the people and let's charge MORE so people can't buy food or pay for housing. YAY!!

Yeah better that we use our strategic emergency supplies for some short term price relief.

[RoadDawg]

Originally posted by RoadDawg
We have higher prices cause OPEC hasn't refined as much due to loss of money last year. The fact that gas is over $2 for the cheap stuff here is insane.

Just so people know what I'm refering too with this post.
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