AO's Stance On Stem Cell Research

[Restola]

Originally posted by ShortStrokeTX
Personally, this might sound like a negative view on everything. But the population keeps on increasing with the advent of new medicines and stuff like that. Diseases and other things are lifes way of keeping balance. Well we've already tipped the scales, a lot. I mean it'd be cool to be able to grow organs to replace a destroyed one but thinking in terms of nature's balance and everything, it was pretty obvious that Mother Natures was tired of that person taking up space

I know you are being at least a little facetious, but no one is "pro-nature" when it's their lives and the lives of their family being hurt.

[nippinout]

You can extract stem cells from umbilical cords.

[Jack_Dubious]

Im all for it. Any step closer to my dream of a clone army, im all for.

JDub

[Fixion]

I'm not too familiar with how stem cells are gathered, but this is my thinking:

If acquiring stem cells doesn't harm/kill a fetus, I'm all for it. But I don't want a baby/fetus to get distroyed/killed just so I can get a new kidney.

[Restola]

They don't suck them out of the brain of 8 month old fetuses as some would like you to believe.

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/16/1728_86306.htm?lastselectedguid=

What are stem cells?

All of us start from a single cell formed at conception, when a sperm cell joins with an egg. This cell then starts dividing and forms a ball of cells. About four days after conception, this ball of cells starts changing its shape and individual cells in that ball starting changing and becoming different from their neighbors. At this time, the ball of cells is smaller than a pinpoint. This process, called differentiation, allows some cells to become liver cells and other cells to become nerve cells or skin cells and so on.

This process is similar to the way in which a plant grows. In the beginning, a stem grows out of the seed you planted, which then has branches, and eventually leaves, fruits, and flowers grow on those branches.

The cells in the developing stem can give rise to all the different branches and leaves and fruits in the plant. Similarly, the "stem" cells in humans give rise to all the different cells in the body.

What are the different kinds of stem cells?

When the embryo is still a ball of immature cells (in the first four days of its development), its cells are called totipotent stem cells -- that is, they have "total potential" and can form a human being if they were separated and implanted individually into a woman's uterus.

After four days, they are pluripotent -- that is, they have the potential to still form virtually every cell in the body, but can no longer form an entire human being by themselves. As the cells continue to divide into more cells, they become multipotent -- that is, they have the potential to form several different kinds of cells, but not all kinds of cells.

These three types -- totipotent, pluripotent and multipotent -- are the three basic types of stem cells.

If an eight day old ball of cells (which you can't even see) is so important that it outweighs the potential benefits to hundreds of thousands of living humans who live with dibilitating diseases...I can't understand your reasoning.

[Fixion]

Thanks for the info.

If an eight day old ball of cells (which you can't even see) is so important that it outweighs the potential benefits to hundreds of thousands of living humans who live with dibilitating diseases...I can't understand your reasoning.

He got that from webmd.com its not his reasoning.

I'm all for Adult stem cell research. But embrionic stem cell research, not unless they use the ones they already have. I don't really want them to "harvest" even more embryos than they have already for research or other purposes. I just don't feel its right.

[Restola]

Originally posted by Fixion
He got that from webmd.com its not his reasoning.

Huh? That was an open statement to anyone who thinks its wrong.

Think you mis-read my post a little

[Butterfingers]

I dont see any ethical qualms with stem cells... why people oppose it is beyond me...

Of course I am also pro-choice... up to a point...

[Rooster]

"If an eight day old ball of cells (which you can't even see) is so important that it outweighs the potential benefits to hundreds of thousands of living humans who live with dibilitating diseases...I can't understand your reasoning."

The question is potensial. What does that group of eight cells have the potensial to become. If you value the potensial of something that doesn't exist yet, then embrionic stem cell research is wrong. Is one life worth more than another becuase one happens to be a few years older? I have no problem with umbelical stem-cell research.

On a completely different tangent, I think we need to solve the population problems on this planet long before we go trying to cure all diseases. We will always end up in equilibrium with this planet, either we figure it out now, or we wait until we run out of resources and humans start to die out. Cancer, AIDS, et al. are the human form of natural selection. We have done our species a great diservice by extending the lives of people who carry faulty genes, so they can pass them on.

[Restola]

Originally posted by Rooster
On a completely different tangent, I think we need to solve the population problems on this planet long before we go trying to cure all diseases. We will always end up in equilibrium with this planet, either we figure it out now, or we wait until we run out of resources and humans start to die out. Cancer, AIDS, et al. are the human form of natural selection. We have done our species a great diservice by extending the lives of people who carry faulty genes, so they can pass them on.

The only problem with that is you talk about our "species". Well these are real people. If you want to make a difference...you can start at home. Stop going to the doctor and refuse to let any family members go, don't have any kids ever, refuse to wear glasses, etc.

[Rooster]

There is a difference between passing on faulty genes and getting a broken arm fixed.

[Restola]

and...

[ShortStrokeTX]

Well if people in China and India weren't such horny bastards there would be a billion less people on the earth hehe.

[Mateo]

Well at least now China has done the whole 1 kid thing. India and Pakistan need to have a little nuclear war and that should take care of a lot of population problems (j/k)