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  • yeahthatsme
    aka yeahthatswang
    • Sep 2002
    • 2592

    #16
    Originally posted by Thordic
    http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/Bombadil.html



    There are arguements for and against just about anything he could be.

    If I had to pick something, I'd say he's probably a Vala in disguise, walking Middle Earth. Its possible that one of the Valar would not be affected by the ring. You would think that Gandalf would recognize him if this is the case, but perhaps he is just that good at disguising himself.

    If not a Vala, he's a nature spirit of extroadinary power. Perhaps an incarnation of the planet/continent. He has enough power so that he isn't limited like other spirits, on his planet/continent he is pretty much omnipotent.

    BUt in the end, I don't think it matters who he is. How many people reading this have played an RPG?

    Quite often in RPGs you need some sort of character who is so far above the PCs that they can't even comprehend his/her power. It could be an extremely high level NPC, an ArchMage, a demigod. Elminster from Forgotten Realms in AD&D is a good example. Books have been written explaining about him, but barring those, his function in a campaign is to guide or instruct, but he is so far above the characters powers and motivations as to leave them awed and probably confused as to his nature.

    Tom Bombadil serves the same purpose in LOTR. Every other character in the story's motives are clear. They are all human, even for Gandalf and Sauron. Tom Bombadil has so much power and knowledge he is above normal human motivations. It add some mystery, and a sense that while this immense struggle over the ring is going on, somewhere there is a BIGGER tale going on. If Tom Bombadil is so casual about the ring, what sort of thing would he concern himself with?

    Thats just my opinion anyway
    i do believe that in the book the silmarilion(sp) the valar were affected by the one ring(sauron is an outcast valar) so that kinda rules him out... i still say tom bombadil is tom bombadil, he has no category. i understand the need to put him in a specific category but its not possible, as tolkien is dead and there is no explanation in the books.
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    • WicKeD_WaYz
      Ohio State Football #91
      • Apr 2002
      • 1817

      #17
      The silmarillion is so hard to read. I got like 50 pages into it and quit. Is the whole book like that? Its rediculous unless your a LOTR nut.

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      • yeahthatsme
        aka yeahthatswang
        • Sep 2002
        • 2592

        #18
        yea the whole book is like that. i got half way into it and gave up....
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        • Woogie12
          no automag anymore
          • May 2003
          • 421

          #19
          Originally posted by yeahthatsme


          i do believe that in the book the silmarilion(sp) the valar were affected by the one ring(sauron is an outcast valar) so that kinda rules him out... i still say tom bombadil is tom bombadil, he has no category. i understand the need to put him in a specific category but its not possible, as tolkien is dead and there is no explanation in the books.
          Sauron was not a Vala and he was not tempted by the ring. Melkor (Morgoth) was the Vala you are thinking of, but he turned evil because of his lust for power and jealousy of the other vala because they had the elves and such.
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          • WicKeD_WaYz
            Ohio State Football #91
            • Apr 2002
            • 1817

            #20
            Originally posted by Woogie12

            Sauron was not a Vala and he was not tempted by the ring.

            wait...then what was the movie about?

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            • Woogie12
              no automag anymore
              • May 2003
              • 421

              #21
              Well he's trying to get it back because then he will have the power to take over the world. It is in the Silmarillion.
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              • Fred
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                • Feb 2002
                • 2624

                #22
                i believe Sauron created the ring to focus his powers and to allow him to have control over the rings created for the other races...

                great links btw Thordic!

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                • Vendetta
                  Nothing witty to say.
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 702

                  #23
                  The silmarillion is so hard to read. I got like 50 pages into it and quit. Is the whole book like that? Its rediculous unless your a LOTR nut
                  It took me about 4 tries to get through it. It gets a bit better near the end.

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                  • Thordic
                    AFTICA
                    • May 2001
                    • 5986

                    #24
                    Sauron is of the Maiar, just like Gandalf and Saruman. He's become more powerful, though, argueably. He isn't "tempted" by the ring because he IS the ring, and the ring is him. He created it out of his own lifeforce, hence when the ring is destroyed, he is destroyed as well.

                    Anyone here ever read David Eddings? The Belgariad is almost a retelling of LOTR but the books are a much more entertaining read. Tolkein has a tendency to get dry and boring sometimes, while Eddings took the same basic plotline (group of warriors, powerful wizard, inexperienced person, important artifact) and his writing is great.

                    His is a bit longer, though, between the Belgariad and the Mallorean you are looking at 10 books, plus then you have Belgarath the Sorceror and Polgara the Sorceress, which you should really read as well.

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                    • PissedGodzilla
                      Killswitch Engaged....
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 618

                      #25
                      The whole point of Tom Bombadil is that you don't know what he is, and to the Maia (Gandalf, Saruman) he is also an enigma. It is an allegory about how not everything in this world will always be known and understood. there is always something to learn about. I'm sure the Valar know of Tom and what he is, but Tolkien left it purposefully as an anigma to the reader for the above stated reasoning.


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