Who do you think was the best US president?

[silentdeath55]

The name "clinton" should never be used in the same sentence as "the best president" unless the word "not" is also being used.

FDR
Lincoln
Kennedy (although he was a democrat)
Bush(s)

[Digits]

Bill Clinton.. haha

He wouldn't want a pimp for a presidant?

[Ov3rmind]

FDR was a horrible president, but not because of what he did to the Japanese. That was perfectly acceptable and prudent at the time. FDR's socialist programs have done nothing but create a national acceptance of welfare and socialism.

At the time, this country NEEDED programs like that.

His programs did not help this country, and most only served to hurt it.

That was a joke, right? While his New Deal programs may not have ended the Great Depression, they sure stunted any further damage it could have done beyond that point. Do you honestly think he should not have intervened during the banking crisis? Some may have gone a bit too far (the NRA for example), but they did not last too long.

His actions during the Yalta conference, when he was so sick that he should have resigned or been relieved, garunteed the start of the cold war.

The Cold War would have started anyway. If you look back all the way into the 20's during the Red Scare, it was obviously inevitable.

His only redeeming qualities are that he managed to surround himself with some of the greatest war time leaders this planet has ever known.

Keep in mind, during his presidency he presided over two of the largest national crisis of the 20th century, and dealt with both of them.

Reagan was the greatest president in history. He solved the greatest problem of our time, the communist problem.

Yeah, Reagan was a good guy. :)

[Dryden]

Tr

Theodore Roosevelt. Prior to TR's presidency, the US was just another country across the pond from the seat of world power, Western Europe. TR inserted the US in the middle of world affairs.

Roosevelt established a modern military decimated following the Civil War to the extent a "modern military" could be built prior to World War I, secured the land to build the Panama Canal to move our ships between coasts and phased out America's old wooden vessels with a true, modern Navy. TR led anti-trust legislation against the steel mills, coal mines and rail roads, and further established the standard for modern child labor laws in America. TR was also a naturalist who set aside more land in the US for national parks and wildlife preserves than every other president in US history combined.

Theodore Roosevelt was a war hero and one of only three presidents to win the Nobel Peace Prize. Without his presidency, the US west of the Mississippi would be wildly different. He was also an explorer, cattle rancher, hunter, and trapper, who mapped countless regions of the Amazon and helped to identify hundreds of species of animals.

Most people forget his is the fourth face on Mt Rushmore, and don't realize how important his role in American and world history really was.

Also, for those who would suggest Clinton, all kidding and Monica jokes aside - Clinton will be historically remembered as a great president, - Bill Clinton made no secret of his admiration of TR, and modeled his presidency after Roosevelt's.

[Ov3rmind]

TR was a great president as well. I'm probably going to start reading his autobiography (I'm counting on it being pretty entertaining, seeing as how TR was such a colorful character).

[-=Squid=-]

clinton.....that guy is awsome...but when i can vote...(only 15) im gonna vote for the first guy to come out and say..."yeah, i was with her last night....we drank a few."

This is why I think that you should have to be 30 before you can vote, or pass a certain test

Pretty much any 18< year old has NO idea who they are voting for... yes, their are many exceptions, but im generalizing here.

[tony3]

When you are 18 you can get drafted into the Army, but you still have no say in who you want your leader to be? Doesn't make much sense to me.

[-=Squid=-]

When you are 18 you can get drafted into the Army, but you still have no say in who you want your leader to be? Doesn't make much sense to me.

Did you even read the entirety of my post? My god... at least read what your attacking before you post.

Although this is not something I firmly believe in, rather than just something I give a bit a thought to, do you really think most 18 year olds DESERVE a say in who their leader is? What percentage do you think REALLY knows who they are voting for? Now, before you get all retarded on me like usual, remember I Said most. Mabe you are more intelligent than your average teenager (Unlikely, but I dont know you either.)

Just saying what you said sounds like typical teenage logic to me. I bet you also think that 18 year olds should be able to drink, for the same reason listed.

How would you feel if somebody you DIDNT want elected was elected, solely because of ignorant voters? I bet it would bother you just a tad. (Hell, this happens fairly often im sure)

A good example of why I believe this is because most teenagers who say who they think should be the president, repeats only what their parents say. When I ask them why they think this, they give me one quote that they heard from there parents or the news, even though they know nothing about the person. I need a steamroller.

Want another good example? In our school newspaper, a person with ZERO artistic talent, and obviously intelligence, decides to draw up a "political cartoon." I guess you could call it that? They attempted to make a stab at bush by drawing a crappy depiction of a TV, that has a news broadcaster on it saying "Bush Declares War Again," And underneith it the title is "War Bush = War." Not only does it lack ANY humor, or point, any artistic merit, hell, it doesnt even reflect what is REALLY happening! Its trying to take a stab at bush because of the fact that their parents are democrats, and they want to sound smart.

These are the same reasons that I think that the first ammendment should be restricted in schools. Sure, all of this punishes me as well, but for the vast majority it would/is benefitial. Im sure many adults here will even disagree with me, but really, just think about this... Do you really think that the average teenager cares enough to watch the news, or choose a GOOD VALID reason to vote for a particular candidate, or even has any idea what they are talking about? They think that they know things, but they dont. Good god, only 3 more years and I can make fun of teenagers without appearing to be a hypocrite.

[FactsOfLife]

Also, for those who would suggest Clinton, all kidding and Monica jokes aside - Clinton will be historically remembered as a great president, - Bill Clinton made no secret of his admiration of TR, and modeled his presidency after Roosevelt's.

Bill Clinton will NOT go down in history as a great president. The man completely squandered the opportunity he had out of pure selfishness.


The guy has been DISBARRED for cripes sake, not to mention the fact that he LIED UNDER OATH, and last but hardly least was IMPEACHED.


Clinton oughta be rotting in jail, not being held up as some great president much less a man.

[-Carnifex-]

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[Restola]

Reagan was my favorite President. He simply represents exactly what I view a President should sound/look/and act like. As far as his policies...eh.

As far as "best". Not really sure. I'd have to vote against FDR and Kennedy though.

[Ov3rmind]

Did you even read the entirety of my post? My god... at least read what your attacking before you post.

Although this is not something I firmly believe in, rather than just something I give a bit a thought to, do you really think most 18 year olds DESERVE a say in who their leader is?

Yes, yes I do. There are thousands upon thousands of ignorant adults as well, but they are also allowed to vote. There have always been ignorant people voting, and there always will be. As much as you may dislike that, they have a right to do it.

How would you feel if somebody you DIDNT want elected was elected, solely because of ignorant voters? I bet it would bother you just a tad. (Hell, this happens fairly often im sure)

Happens all the time in this state. It does suck hard, but ignorant people still have the right to vote.

Want another good example? In our school newspaper, a person with ZERO artistic talent, and obviously intelligence, decides to draw up a "political cartoon." I guess you could call it that? They attempted to make a stab at bush by drawing a crappy depiction of a TV, that has a news broadcaster on it saying "Bush Declares War Again," And underneith it the title is "War Bush = War." Not only does it lack ANY humor, or point, any artistic merit, hell, it doesnt even reflect what is REALLY happening! Its trying to take a stab at bush because of the fact that their parents are democrats, and they want to sound smart.

LOL, I'm surprised your school administrators let that one get by. "War Bush = War"... Classic.

These are the same reasons that I think that the first ammendment should be restricted in schools.

The first amendment is already restricted to an extent in public schools.

Sure, all of this punishes me as well, but for the vast majority it would/is benefitial.

What exactly would be the benefits? Kids are stupid, restricting their rights isn't going to change that fact.

Im sure many adults here will even disagree with me, but really, just think about this... Do you really think that the average teenager cares enough to watch the news, or choose a GOOD VALID reason to vote for a particular candidate, or even has any idea what they are talking about?

Most don't, and most don't even vote. There are a great deal that do have valid opinions though (and the right to vote should be available to them).

[-=Squid=-]

Im not sure if your on my side or not Either way, on the points were you DO disagree, I understand your point.

Obviously, there are MANY adults who are no better at voting than a teenager would be, but I would say that that number is far lesser.

I know the first ammendment IS restricted in schools, I just think it should stay that way, if not get a little bit more restricted.

I just dont think people who dont know whats going on deserve to vote.

[lew]

I think Teddy Roosevelt was the greatest president this country has ever had. Dryden presented all of the material, so I won't go into that. The man earned every bit of respect I have for him. Hats of to TR.

I don't think Lincoln was a great president at all. He did a hell of a lot to trash the Constitution. For example, he suspended the right of habeas corpus for people suspected of aiding the Confederacy.

And as for Clinton, he gets a kick in the nuts if I ever see him.

[-Carnifex-]

I don't think Lincoln was a great president at all. He did a hell of a lot to trash the Constitution. For example, he suspended the right of habeas corpus for people suspected of aiding the Confederacy.

He did that to unsure that the mid states would side with the Union, without them we couldn't have won.