Yet some people wonder what would drive americans to abuse Iraqi prisoners

[PyRo]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=11&u=/ap/20040511/ap_on_re_mi_ea/egypt_iraq_american_beheaded

[Target Practice]

Hey, don't look at this guy. I imagine that is kind of like during Vietnam. One side commits atrocities, then the other side retaliates in kind...ad infinitum. I know it's not right, but I can't say I blame them. Hell, I may have taken part in it if I was there.

[Rebel46_99]

Oh but Pyro.... haven't you heard? According to some of our resident liberals, we are supposed to display restraint and suppress our outrage so that we don't, heaven forbid, appear as, and I quote SBF, "in-your-face pricks" and piss off the rest of the world. That would be totally unacceptable, goodness me.

Two words come to mind............

HORSE MANURE

[1stdeadeye]

Fire bomb the bastages!

That is disgusting. Maybe we should stop arresting insurgents and just start killing them all. No quarter in firefights, just kill them all!

[Koosh]

I guess I'm just a bleeding heart liberal when I think that american soldiers should be held to a higher standard when it comes to the prisoner abuse thing. Whether the prisoners deserved it or not. Or hell at least don't take pictures! I'd rather hear stories and rumors of abuse, but pictures! There is no denying that!

As for that yahoo link, simply unacceptable. Find them, kill them.

[Rooster]

Give them the Abu-Gahrib prisoners.













At least their heads. Let them find the bodies in a shallow grave.

[Target Practice]

Oh but Pyro.... haven't you heard? According to some of our resident liberals, we are supposed to display restraint and suppress our outrage so that we don't, heaven forbid, appear as, and I quote SBF, "in-your-face pricks" and piss off the rest of the world. That would be totally unacceptable, goodness me.

Two words come to mind............

HORSE MANURE

Ideally, yes, we should "display restraint and suppress our outrage" because if we do not, we are no better than our enemies. We should not be treating them that way because we, as Americans, are better than that. With that being said, I think it is an unattainable goal. A small percentage of AOers know what it is like in such a high stress, frontline environment. I'm sure they can testify to the levels of psychological strain that such a situation places on our men and women in the field. They will take out this stress in many forms. One of these is going to be taking revenge on an enemy that killed their fellow soldiers. Unfortunately, we can't stop it.

[Rebel46_99]

Hey, don't look at this guy. I imagine that is kind of like during Vietnam. One side commits atrocities, then the other side retaliates in kind...ad infinitum. I know it's not right, but I can't say I blame them. Hell, I may have taken part in it if I was there.

So, you're equating what happened at Abu Ghraib to be the same as what these frickin' animals did? Can't blame them, eh? Taken part, eh? It's a real shame that "10.5" is only fiction.

I'm gonna beat Facts to the punch on this one........

What a bloody Moron!

[1stdeadeye]

This is beyond outrage. We need to punish the insurgents like never before. Tale that line from "Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue", It's gonna feel like the whole world is raining down on you!

We need to unleash our armies and teach the insurgents the terrible price for their deeds. Kill them all. Destroy their homes. Destroy their cities. Go Keyser Solzay on them!!

Leave no memory of them. The price of an American life must be so terrible that they dare not take one.

Like I've said before: Go Roman on them. Total war, no restraint! Destroy them utterlylike we did the Germans and Japanese! Then rebuild them in our image.

[chairman_mao]

I think that it is simplistic and nieve to expect that while their comrades are dying daily and their coutrymen are being maimed and dragged through the streets that our souldiers would treat those in their custody with dignity and respect. I am not in the least bit shocked by what I've seen. I think that the sheer joy expressed by some of those in the pictures is discusting beacuse I can't image any of those acts being pleasurable to perform. In all honesty I don't know what benefit these acts bring about because any information obtained will most likely be faulty. I know that if someone was kickin the snot out of me I would tell them what I thought they wanted to hear. I however have not been in the position that these men and women are in and therefore can't say for absolut certian what I would or would not do.

[Target Practice]

Look, I'm not "equating" anything. I'm just making the observation, based on my (admittedly) limited knowledge and understanding of the conflict in Vietnam. It, IMO, is an eye-for-an-eye type of thing, in both cases. I also understand that it is not quite as simple as that. If you are able to set the record straight, by all means, do so. I don't feel that flaming is necessary, IMHO.

So, you're equating what happened at Abu Ghraib to be the same as what these frickin' animals did? Can't blame them, eh? Taken part, eh? It's a real shame that "10.5" is only fiction.

I'm gonna beat Facts to the punch on this one........

What a bloody Moron!

[1stdeadeye]

Look, I'm not "equating" anything. I'm just making the observation, based on my (admittedly) limited knowledge and understanding of the conflict in Vietnam. It, IMO, is an eye-for-an-eye type of thing, in both cases. I also understand that it is not quite as simple as that. If you are able to set the record straight, by all means, do so. I don't feel that flaming is necessary, IMHO.

How the hell can you equate embarrasing a prisoner to beheading one? Are you daft?

THe embarrassed one can go home to his family and rebuild his life. The beheaded one goes home to be buried.

By the way, those were brave martyrs who did it. Cowards wore masks to escape our retribution. I guess they are a bunch of bullies that need to be knocked down and bloodied!

[Target Practice]

1DE, I can't agree with you more in advocating that we come down on them like the Right Hand of God Himself. But if we are to take prisoners, don't you think that we should have some common decency? Especially if our enemies do not. If you are going to kill 10000 Iraqis, fine. If you are going to take 1 of them prisoner, at least treat him like a human. This is what I want the rest of the world to see. How can we act in the name of right, if we do not practice what we preach?

It sickens me to see what our enemies do to our soldiers/civillians. Let there be no doubt as to my resolve in bringing complete and utter conflagration to them. No prisoners? Go for it. However, if we are to take prisoners, let us treat them as we would like our prisoners to be treated, whether or not our prisoners are treated in kind.

[Rebel46_99]

Look, I'm not "equating" anything. I'm just making the observation, based on my (admittedly) limited knowledge and understanding of the conflict in Vietnam. It, IMO, is an eye-for-an-eye type of thing, in both cases. I also understand that it is not quite as simple as that. If you are able to set the record straight, by all means, do so. I don't feel that flaming is necessary, IMHO.

No.... Basically what you just said is, if I slap you, you're going to stab me. Yeah, that's a pretty close approximation to "an eye for an eye". And in Viet Nam there were instances of guys being captured by the Viet Cong and then staked to a tree outside the wire of their compound. All the while screaming for their buddies to come rescue them at the risk of an ambush. When found later, their genitals had been removed and their eyelids cut away.

The statement stands!

[Thordic]

I totally agree we need to stomp on the insurgents.

But, I want to offer something up.

If an Arab power invaded and took over the US with an army of occupation, would you roll over lightly? Or would you take up arms, fight back? Kill every arab you came across?

Its easy to villianize them because its "us" and "them" but I doubt many of us would act differently in their shoes.

But since it is us and them, I vote for killing as many as possible. Its a dog-eat-dog world, and we are the big dog, might as well take advantage of it.